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Awesome thread! My birds are wheaten, and I'm guessing they have some melanizers thrown in. I've researched everything I could find on wheaten in Orientals but it strikes me as quite a mess.

He's not as wide as I would like, and I think his neck is weak. But I think I'll start with him because the other stags have weird short bodies, with oddly indented breasts. Let me tell you, this hatchery stuff is a right mess, but I like the challenge.

Here's one of my stags. Any and all opinions are appreciated!

Yeah the melange of breeds OP is hinting at in his seed fowl might make things difficult. You can't exactly split into lines before combing through those bazillion traits until you've got something kinda stable, because otherwise having several lines and doing the line crossing at the end can...

Just some thoughts. This slow system could give you the time to make very careful selection and truly know what you're breeding if given a lot of attention. If you make poor selections, obviously you can ruin things pretty thoroughly, although it's true of a 'faster' system as well. I don't...

I think he'll be okay. Watch him and give us an updated picture tomorrow or the next day, maybe?

Chickens are very resilient, and if it were my bird I would leave it alone but keep an eye on it. It doesn't look like it's bleeding?

I haven't done this, but it's a clan breeding system in slow motion, and it sounds very doable and efficient. It sounds very similar to what I want to do.

I'll second that. Both pale combs, and I don't see any pointy hackles. A bit early to be 100%, because I feel like pics are harder to tell from compared to live.

This was based on studies. You can find them in Genetics of the Fowl, written by Hutt, I believe. Extraordinary circumstances exist, but as a general rule they found a new cock's sperm to override by 10 days. Wait longer if you wish, because as you can see, the exception proves the rule. ETA: I...

Interesting. The dead men books generally hold to that timeline, especially if the cock is replaced instead of simply removed. Sperm of rose combed breeds lives a shorter period, and single comb sperm the longest.

@konachicks at 10 days the new cock should be the father of most of the chicks, two weeks is practically guaranteed no cross parentage.

I just went through this thread and didn't realize it was old lol. I would like to say that the Ideal Kraienkoeppes had absolutely the worst manfighters I've ever seen in ANY breed, but that was 6 or 7 years ago I had them. Not sure if they've improved that trait or not.

That pullet's build reminds me of a stag I have. He'll be nowhere hear as big as your hen, if I had to guess. This hatchery stuff is always undersized, and they're only Reza anyway, so I might get 5 1/2 pounds out of the cocks if I'm lucky, but he's got the most size of the bunch.

Sometimes internet searches including more specific terms like kulang, reza, gamefowl, sonatol, Atkinson, parrot beak, cockfighting, murga or mianwali can help you dig up more obscure information.

I can give you a couple sites I found helpful, but it seems information is scarce, unless I'm just not looking in the right places. http://globalasilclub.blogspot.com/2011/11/ancestors-of-todays-asils-and-all.html?m=1 https://roostergen.com/history-and-structure-of-asil-rooster/...

The hen is supposed to be the key to size in a strain, so it's not surprising that her mother is also small. She's much easier to see than in that first picture you posted, and she does look nice and balanced. Speed is a surprising bonus, with the Asil? How does she compare with the American...

Welcome! I'm definitely partial to the first hen. 😉 I only have hatchery stock that I'm hoping to make decent over the course of the next 5-10 years, nothing of good quality. I don't know if you've heard of Kenny Troiano, but he's got a lot of good free stuff on creating and maintaining your...

A question from my Asil. I have wheatens from Cackle. Some of the pullets look like they carry a melanizer because their heads are almost black and body color is less cinnamon than the others. If this is the case, is it possible to accumulate melanizing genes to turn them 'dark grouse' or...

The red one is suggestive of a New Hampshire to me. Obviously not what it is, as a hybrid, but I believe some crosses are made with them. The black.... man, I just don't see it coming close to anything else.