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Most conspiracy theories are replete with fallacies. My head can only cope with a small number of these per day, and I've been in education long enough to know the truth of the saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, so I'm bowing out of this thread now.

so why do intelligent people let the fringe derail their thinking? Just because someone lobs a nonsense bomb into a discussion, the rest don't have to let it infect their minds. Just ignore the idiots. Then we could focus on things that matter.

I know and understand all this; clearly we are talking at cross purposes. The point I keep trying (and evidently failing) to make is that current research (from the FAO, as well as people like Spector) is emphasising that we have to start paying attention to the QUALITY of the nutrition in...

Did this appear earlier in the thread?

yes, but it seems to me he emphasizes it only in the context of making one's own feed, and not in the context of a random bag of commercial feed.

One could be forgiven for thinking that one can calculate everything, ignoring the inherent variability that exists in the nutritional levels of all these ingredients. See e.g. https://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templates/food_composition/documents/upload/Poster_potato_nutrient_comp.pdf

there are a lot of intermediate positions that seem to get lost in this polemic. Straw men don't help resolve any argument.

Or "in Germany in 2010 when illegal use of industrial oils led to fats used for animal feed becoming contaminated with dioxin (Kupferschmidt, 2011). Other examples include the use of furazolidone in animal feed and the melamine crisis in China in 2008 (Chen, 2009; Pei et al., 2011)."

I am delighted to hear it. But things can and do go wrong for some people in some places. For example, "A number of food and animal-feed contamination incidents occurred between 1997 and 2010 in Europe, and these highlighted the need to monitor dioxins and PCBs in food and feed (Zennegg, 2018)...

the problem with this argument is that intentions are not the same thing as effects, and there are unintended consequences of actions taken in good faith. I'm sure no feed company intended to create BSE (mad cow disease) or food company to create CJD, but they did anyway.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/new-research-debunks-trad-views-on-nutrition.1567953/post-26615525