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  1. AllenWMiller

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    Today, continuing on with our breeding discussions, I thought I would write about two important features to review for selecting and culling cockerels and pullets or cocks and hens as well. I hope that Walt will embellish this line with his experiences as a judge using the SOP. Two of the...
  2. AllenWMiller

    Standard of Perfection

    BarnGoddess no honest question makes anyone look like a dope; rather it makes you look intelligent for asking honestly what you don't know. Now sexual maturity for chickens is a slightly ambiguous question. For biological purposes a pullet is sexually mature when she starts laying between 4 and...
  3. AllenWMiller

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    Yes Karen I knew of Wetherell and Nathalia Card and I knew their son, Arthur. Wetherell was an avid Rhode Island Red man as well as the originator of White Laced Red Cornish . My grandfather and father had a line of RIR's and used Mr. Card's stock to out cross their lines around 1912. And...
  4. AllenWMiller

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    Thank you Walt for your reply. I think I'm familiar with standard and bantam rocks and was pretty sure I knew when they were admitted to the standard. But when I read that particular list on the APA website, I thought I was sleeping and missed some radical new change in the 21st Century! After...
  5. AllenWMiller

    Standard of Perfection

    I have a question about Marans and egg colour. You mentioned that a 6 year old hen will be laying lighter eggs. Assuming that she is a good all-round bird (type meets SOP) and laid a very dark egg earlier in her life, is she likely to pass that initial darkness on to her off-spring even if it is...
  6. AllenWMiller

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    This is the link for the APA Breed List BarnGoddess: http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/APA_Recognized_Breeds_6_2010.pdf And as I said if it is the bantam list (and I know think it is) then it should read "APA Recognized ("Bantam") Breeds and Varieties" so an old man isn't so startled and...
  7. AllenWMiller

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    Thank you for your kind response BarnGoddess. And no I have not missed your question I have a list of folks who have asked questions and I do my best to answer as quickly as I can. Robert asked me a complex question of terminology and breeding and it took me a bit to answer his question. And I'm...
  8. AllenWMiller

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    Walt, I have an SOP question for you regarding White Plymouth Rocks and all chickens generally as to when they were recognized and admitted into the Standard are these two dates different I wonder? First question is what years were all the Plymouth Rocks recognized by the APA? Second, what...
  9. AllenWMiller

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    Robert you post an interesting question and if I correctly understand you are raising this question: "What is the term if there is one for crossing back such a line every five to say eight years.????? Its a type of OUT CROSSING but it is the same gene pool that both breeders started 50 years...
  10. AllenWMiller

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    When you open up for comments this is like brain storming and someone comes along and types in a key term. You type that into your search engine and you can learn even more. I think allot of Holstein Dairy Farmers are using this approach. They have to have high yields of pounds of milk per cow...
  11. AllenWMiller

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    Robert I hope my feeble attempt at your question makes a little sense and does some good toward answering your question. One thing I didn't make clear was that you don't require a "partner" for this breeding method you just need enough room to keep two or three isolated and independent strains...
  12. AllenWMiller

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    EJB as far as I know the APA and ABA have a band requirement for showing. Now I haven't really been to shows in a very long time, so I would have to defer this point to Walt aka "Fowlman" or one of the other folks here who have a better knowledge of APA/ABA workings than I do at this time. But...
  13. AllenWMiller

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    I don't really see much benefit in pedegreeing since most judges can spot a hybrid chicken.....although not always. This is a massive undertaking to catch the very few who would try to show a X breed as a purebred. That is why it has never been done. I wanted to respond to you Walt, with...
  14. AllenWMiller

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    Ah Ducks but you missed the mark slightly. Yes 12.50% is certainly a safe level but as you continue with breeding, you can attain 95% genetic similarities and still the flock will be genetically strong. Likewise, you could maintain a 12.5% coefficiency and still have serious genetic issues...
  15. AllenWMiller

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    Allen, it is indeed a pleasure to find this thread and enjoy the articulation and knowledge that you are contributing. I have a question regarding your thoughts on inbreeding as a tool to advance desired physical, mental and production characteristics in poultry. On another thread it has been...
  16. AllenWMiller

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    In a previous post, you listed the inbreeding coeffecients; I was just wondering, how fast does the coeffecient rise when you continue inbreeding i.e. if you breed together inbred siblings, how high would the coefficient be in the offspring, and, how fast does the coefficient dissipate, i.e., if...
  17. AllenWMiller

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    If you can explain how to do this I will be happy to suggest it to the APA. It would require that all show poultry have a permanent marking of some kind. I tattoo my waterfowl, but wing bands and seamless bands are not foolproof. Who would oversee this program? The ABA/APA officers are...
  18. AllenWMiller

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    Thank you again Bob your input is extremely valuable to us all! I am ever amazed at the resources at one's fingertips on the internet if you just know where to look. I have spent a lifetime accumulating these books, pamphlets and literature about Aves (and have spend more than I care to...
  19. AllenWMiller

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    Krish there is a 1910 Version of the SOP on Google. Earlier in this string CGMCCARY was kind enough to provide the link. I posted it below again. While this is the 1910, it is very useful to read as the basic information is intact though some breeds won't be listed that were entered into the APA...
  20. AllenWMiller

    Standard of Perfection

    Allen, it is indeed a pleasure to find this thread and enjoy the articulation and knowledge that you are contributing. I have a question regarding your thoughts on inbreeding as a tool to advance desired physical, mental and production characteristics in poultry. On another thread it has been...
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