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Here's a hint (care of the new BYC) there is a little symbol next to a person's username in the quote box. Click it when you want to go right to the original post. Banny

Yes. You must agree that when a 97 year old man dissappears for a long period without any given warning... That doesn't look good at all.

Okay, okay, nobody meant to 'drive off' Dr. Miller. It seems to me instead of bantering back and forth about who's fault it was, we should try to convince him of the truth, that there is interest in this topic. Agreed?

That's pretty good -- I have great birds, so hopefully I can remain have great birds!

Thanks Dr. Miller. I now know how to figure out how closely related my birds are, and who it's safe to breed them to (keeping it lower than 12.5%). Thanks!

Dr. Miller - In a previous post, you listed the inbreeding coeffecients; I was just wondering, how fast does the coeffecient rise when you continue inbreeding i.e. if you breed together inbred siblings, how high would the coefficient be in the offspring, and, how fast does the coefficient...

Excellent point! (Actually, many of the 'dual purpose' breeds were originally developed for only one purpose) To me, there are three types of utility in chickens - -Meat -Eggs -Brooding For this, I keep three breeds, specifically intended to do those things.

Yes, I sometime refer to these days as the 'Second Hen Fever'; everybody seems to be interested in poultry, which is great. Agriculture is on the rise again. Like you, I don't know what to make of it. Sometimes people take to farming etc. to 'get back to the land' in advent of some apocalyptic...

The ABA (american Bantam association) sells SOPs on their website. The SOP is applied to flocks through very selective breeding.

I'm sorry to have come off rather short; I don't mean to 'knock' the SOP, but there are certain traits -- hardiness, intellegence, for example -- that don't have a relative type, and can not be achieved by following a standard alone. There is just more to it than that. This is achieved by how...

You put alot of thought into your answer. And I do appreciate all the information. My thread, although it did accomplish it, wasn't meant as a mindless rant against a standard, but was more meant, like I said, as a warning to have priorities when breeding. Far too often I have seen breeders...

You asked for any SOP disagrements? There's a whole thread full of them, basically the polar oppostie of this thread -- not everything is against SOP, mostly the thread is a stressing warning of what will happen when an SOP is taken too seriously; it makes for about 30 minutes of an interesting...