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Not a problem. I misunderstood you. w.

Good point, thanks for the translation. Unless "they" are judges, it should not matter a whole lot. Walt

I hope not. It's not supposed to be about what a judge likes, it is supposed to be the bird that best fits the Standard description. A judge of any animal should be able to explain why they picked a certain animal. Walt

How is it wrong? The description has been the same since 1883. Walt

The SS is slate. Walt

The undercolor on the APA description of Light Sussex is also white. That description for the Light has been in place in the SOP since 1924. (Neck: black feathers with narrow lacing of white). Walt

The APA believes that their description in the SOP is correct for US Birds. Many times.....even when birds originate on other countries, the APA will have a slightly different description. We see this in the Marans (French) and Orpingtons (English) as an example. Other countries also modify our...

Hi Karen, As I said in the Sussex thread I don't believe the length of back has anything to do with the wing set on any breed. Poor wing carriage always seems to be associated with bad breeding....not lack of exercise or that the moon was full when it hatched or the incubator or any of the...

He was a very special man. My wife and a friend of hers spent a whole week with the Stauffers several years back when I was showing at Columbus, so they were very sad to hear of his passing. Many of us were. Most people could not begin to think about showing that many birds, year after year. Walt

I finally found a copy of the British Standard for Orps and it is close to the APA Standard. The Orpingtons that the British judges are picking look nothing like their Standard. It clearly states how low the feathers should be on the thighs and describes the feather quality and that is not what...

It is not odd to me. The Aussies and Brits don't have the same standard in some breeds and the German Standard is different as well. Birds imported from England that are called the same breed name here, but do not have the same variety or breed description, is not anything new. The Red Sussex...

Changes are usually to fix an error or to clarify some point. Some think it should be easy to change things in the Standard, but I agree with you. The Committee has been reluctant to change many things over the years. One that keeps coming back is changing the Cornish eye from pearl to a range...

No you can't learn it just anywhere......you have to find some old person who can still remember such things. Sam Brush the President of the APA is not what I would think of as an old guy, but he may have the answers on the Red Sussex. He is a poultry history expert. I can't remember his screen...

If a Red Sussex is shown with black in the hackles it would be a deduction of points. The Brits and Aussies call for black in the hackles, but the APA SOP does not and that description has never been challenged since their admission in 1914. There would have to be some very good reason to change...

You should be touchy about the breed you love. Just don't get cranky like me when you are 81....I have about 12 more years to hit 81. I don't think you will love the picture then either. Hopefully we will have a better way to create the illustrations by then. I'm not an expert either, but we...

Well Christopher...after reading my posts I would have to say that I was the cantankerous one in these posts. I just finished a heated debate with a know it all that has raised hatchery chickens for about a year, so I guess I was still wound up. Sorry about that. While outside feeding in the...

You may quote anything I say......some people quote things I don't say, but I can tell that won't happen here. lol Other than the outline used for the Light Sussex and the old Schilling drawings, I can't think of a place to find any other Sussex pictures. The info printed in the APA Standard...

One win at one show does not make an expert to me. I don't see any other major wins anywhere.....and that really doesn't matter. He probably is a Buckeye expert. I don't consider anyone an expert until they have raised something for 30+ years though.....but that is just me. What matters is that...

Well if you consider 1983 "new" I guess it is. That was when that illustration was published in the SOP. Saying it looks nothing like a Buckeye is kind of off the wall in my opinion. It is certainly not a work of art, but everything seems to be in the right places as far as I can tell, but maybe...

The APA does not have an artist on contract at the moment, so I am not sure what the illustration cost would be, but $500.00 each for the two might be close. A person could contract with Katherine Plumer who did many of the illustrations, but I have no idea what she is charging now. If they were...