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WallTenter, I think it you that was asking me for some pictures, I will try to get some up soon but it wont be this week. My wife had to fly to Florida this morning for the week do to a death in the family. Here is another hen of mine that I found and some feathers off of a cockerel that I had...

If you look at the picture of the male bird you will see that the background, and the cloth under the birds feet is much lighter than that of the hens picture also if you look at the male birds head it is much clearer/brighter than that of the hens also. Looks like a flash may have been used on...

Quote: When I get out to the other farm I'll try to get some pictures for you. There one of my "side breeds" like my American Game and I don't get a lot of pictures of them like I do my Reds. Chris

Quote: Yes the bird does look light but so does other things in that picture, the is do to the exposure of the camera and poor lighting. Quote: The thing that we have to remember is that Shilling was a artist, he was not a master breeder of ever bird he did a picture of. His pictures...

Quote: There could be some to do with the background of the fowl as in what else in in the fowl. (are the E^R or E based do they have Dilution Gene/s) There are a number of reasons that I like a darker bird in the breeding pen, one of them go's back to knowing that a Barred bird with out the...

Those are the "touched-up" photos that Franklane did before Schilling. Here's the real 1913 photos of A.Q. Carters birds, there is a big difference. (The exposure on the camera is really off but does show there shape) Chris

Quote: True a Sport doesn't have to be the result of a out-cross but it does help. Now a Barred breed can be bred to become White and has been done note that some of the first White Plymouth Rocks were a Sport of the Barred Rock. Now if you look into the Dom/ Dominique Game fowl they can and...

I have a quick question for the ones that are breeding the lighter color Dominique. How long do you think it will take until you start getting White Sports in your offspring? Before you say it isn't possible think about this, back in the 70's Robert Henderson crossed to White Game Hens to...

Quote: They have there place in the breeding pen and in a show since color is around 28 total points of the over all scale and I don't think that a bird would be docked that many points if it is showing the same type of barring and the same shade of barring through out the bird. Quote: Let's...

Where did you get this Ratios? Neither of these ratios are in the APA SOP. If we are breeding these birds to SOP then we should at least try to use ratios provided in the standard, that is if one is provided. That would mean that the Barred Plymouth Rock would have a ratio of 60:40 (60% black -...

The reason I brought up the type of breeding is because of this statement, " for one his females would be very dark''. In double breeding you have a male line and a female line. Now if I remember correctly the SOP state that the barring on a Dominique should stop short of positive Black and...

I assume by the quote below that your single breeding your birds and not double breeding them? Quote: Now if for some reason you don't believe what I posted on the Barring Gene or the Slow Feathering Gene your more than welcome to research it, there is tons of good information on the net...

Scott, it would have had to be a different cross. Leghorns are a fast feathering breed and they are very hard to get good barring on. I read on a British Leghorn sight that the reason for some lines of better barred Leghorns was do to crossing Plymouth Rocks into them. (the cross slowed the...

V barring is a good thing in Dominique but is a bad thing when it comes to Barred Plymouth Rocks. Chris

Nice looking bird and he is still "Cuckoo" just a better Cuckoo patter than most. When I click on the picture and enlarge it I can still see the fuzzy "V" barring common to the Cuckoo pattern in a Dominique and faster feathering Barred Breeds. He may have other genes in play giving the short...

Would you happen to have pictures of the chicks (day old) and adult that your talking about? Chris

Even barring and barring that is clean and narrow are somewhat two different things, Even barring means that the Barring Gene (B) is "turning on and off" pigment equally. Chris

Your Welcome, The only real difference between the clean barring of a Barred Plymouth Rock and a "dirty" barring of a Dominique is the K gene. If one only keeps the fastest feathering chicks then there barring is going to be wide and very course on the other hand if one keeps only slow...

The gene that makes good clean narrow barring on any Barred bird is the slow Feathering Gene (K), the Barring gene is just a on off switch and turns color on and off. Barring Gene: B Barring is a Sex-link gene that stops and starts pigment production as in feather growth to give the well-known...

I have a few that I can pick from this year and I should be getting some eggs from Mike Stichler this year. Chris