*POLL* Should a strain of chickens carry the breeder's name?

[MysteryChicken]

Historians and Archeologists generally agree there is solid evidence for domestication in the Indus valley about 2,000 BCE, with disputed evidence pushing the date back as far as maybe 5,400 BCE in Southeast Asia - "where" in SE Asia is largely a matter of what evidence you accept, and what you reject, as conclusive (or at least, more likely than not). Surprising no one, of course China claims it has the best evidence in that date range. They may be right.

Cockfighting records come to us by way of Ancient Greece, are believed to have been introduced by the Persians, and they are believed to have learned it from unnamed others - likely the people of the Indus valley.

Ancient Jerusalem is a modern name for what was then viewed as barbarian tribes on the edge of Babylonian civilization.

In any event, Man - of whatever affiliation - has been raising chickens for various purposes for a LONG time.

I've nothing to add on naming lines/strains/breeds of birds beyond my original comment in this thread. Just pleased I found something worthy of comment to which I could offer opinion after the last handfull of pages...

Yep, I have a link for that too. I was gonna post in a bit.

 

[MysteryChicken]

As far as both being domesticated fowl yes. The difference is in thier testosterone which makes them extremely territorial. That's why people are wrong when they say people "teach" a cock to fight. You're not "teaching" them to fight they already do that. Trainers are simply honing skills more or less. Like mystery said the instinct is there. Gamefowl simply have a high testosterone level through selective breeding (I read somewhere to put it in humans terms it would be the equivalent to a male human having 40 times the test level of a regular human male) trainers are capitalizing on something already there.

Exactly.

 

[sdm111]

And if you ever seen two pitted you would see there's no comparison to regular chickens, a whole other level. And getting cut and stabbed and never ever giving up. It's called being game. They either have it or they don't whats called dunghill. And just for the record Louisiana was the last state to ban it in 2008. So yeah been there done that and I really dont care what others think

 

[MysteryChicken]

And if you ever seen two pitted you would see there's no comparison to regular chickens, a whole other level. And getting cut and stabbed and never ever giving up. It's called being game. They either have it or they don't whats called dunghill. And just for the record Louisiana was the last state to ban it in 2008. So yeah been there done that and I really dont care what others think

I've actually seen it on YouTube while, searching chicken videos.

Dunghill seems abit, outdated, & harsh. I don't judge any birds, by looks, how they're bred, act, or color, except for blank white birds, & human aggression are two things I don't like. But, everyone is different.

I have two silkies I have to keep separate due to the never stop fighting trait. They weren't going to stop, kept going despite being out of breath.

A chicken is a chicken.

 

[nicalandia]

Historians and Archeologists generally agree there is solid evidence for domestication in the Indus valley about 2,000 BCE, with disputed evidence pushing the date back as far as maybe 5,400 BCE in Southeast Asia - "where" in SE Asia is largely a matter of what evidence you accept, and what you reject, as conclusive (or at least, more likely than not). Surprising no one, of course China claims it has the best evidence in that date range. They may be right.

Recent(as of 2020) Whole Genome Sequencing performed on 627 domestic chickens, 142 RJFs encompassing all five subspecies, additionally 12 green jungle fowls, 2 gray jungle fowls and 4 Ceylon jungle fowls . Has shown that TMRCA(The Most Recent Common Ancestor) of chickens and it's closest ancestor (Gallus gallus spadiceus the Chinese RJF) to diverge about 5,500 BCE. Domestication took place much later(perhaps as early as 3000 BCE)

But these birds were largely indistinguishable from their Spadiceus forbearers and were inhabiting the same distribution area(perhaps closer to human settlement due to their more tame nature?) other introgression events from other Jungle Fowl(Mostly from Grey Jungle fowl) took place later(after domestication) and introduced the sex linked Silver(S), Sex linked Dermal Inhibitor(Id light shanks) and Yellow Skin(recessive over White)


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