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Quote: Recessive white has nothing to do with blue. Its my understanding that GN's are produced two ways: either with dominant white (which covers the black in a MF), or with 2 copies of the Andalusian blue gene (which turns the black in MF to splash). The differences between the two can be...

Quote: Pics on a message board can be deceiving, but I don't see any dun in these photos. Where did it supposedly come from? I see what you mean in the last photo tho - I might be wrong, but I'm thinking those might be sunburned feathers - my blue mottled cochins are partially bleached out...

Quote: Agreed Sonoran - I tried in the beginning of this thread, but I couldn't keep up with the rest of the banter. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE banter just like I love genetic discussions, but when the two get mixed, its alittle frustrating.

Quote: I've heard we have both here, but I don't have gold necks, so I don't know for sure. If your splash gold neck had one blue mille fleur parent, then the other had to have been either a blue mille fleur or a splash gold neck - chickens can't be "split to" Andalusian blue. The mother...

Quote: Yes, its possible. Quote: Not really, but it would only take one breeding. If you bred the cockerel to a regular mille fleur, and got nothing but blue mille fleur chicks, then its a splash. If you bred it to a regular mille fleur and got gold necks, then its a dominant white.

Quote: I've heard we have both here, but I don't have gold necks, so I don't know for sure. If your splash gold neck had one blue mille fleur parent, then the other had to have been either a blue mille fleur or a splash gold neck - chickens can't be "split to" Andalusian blue.

Quote: Henk's calc came up with 4 different combos. That's why I'm taking notes on development. My little girl definitely has a lovely pattern on her feathers, similar to the preliminary patterns many of my MF's get, but with MUCH more black and so far no brown/red tones. I just went to...

Quote: Mille fleur x lavender = black split to lavender mottled. She should have no visible pattern. ETA: That is, assuming that the lavender is NOT split to mottled... Also, Shannon - the top pic looks like a splash from here. If she was in with a batch of blue mottled, she may be split...

See my post #18 on page 2.

Quote: Could it be that the pattern develops over time? I know my mille fleur d'uccles took a while (a LONG while, actually) to show the mottled pattern, as did my mottled cochins.

Quote: Wow - I've never seen that one before!! But it still looks like you would need to know the specific genotype for the color of the breed you were entering? Quote: You would, but they would be split to lavender.

Quote: You would get mille fleur chicks that are split to lavender.

Quote: He's got beautiful coloring Doug!!! I'm intrigued!!! Please keep us posted on your breedings and what you get!

Oh, Sonoran!!! Thank GOODNESS you're here!!! LOL!! Do YOU know what genetics are behind a "butterscotch" d'uccle???? (In plain English, please?)

Quote: You're not stepping on anyone's toes!!! And you're as qualified to participate here as the rest of us are!!! We're all here to learn. So please don't take offense to anything that *I* said, or anyone else for that matter. Its just that some of us know a bit more about genetics than...

Quote: Butterscotch is a color and not a Gene. I don't think the is a Butterscotch color chickens.. Where did you here of the color? I know that there is a Butterscotch color in ducks (Call Ducks) but never heard of a Butterscotch in chickens... This is what the Butterscotch color in duck...

Quote: What is gold splash and what is butterscotch? Genetically, I mean? This is where hobby names get confusing to me. The picture with the rooster and hens APPEAR to be lavender, IMO. But again, to the untrained eye, a mix of lavender and andalusian blue MAY not be easily recognizable...

Quote: You can't get blue MF from breeding a pure lavender to a pure porcelain (which is lavender MF). At least one of the parents has to be an andalusian blue in order for andalusian blue to show up in the chicks. Keep in mind that andalusian blue (as opposed to "self" blue, which is...

Quote: Lavender x mille fleur = 100% black chicks and they ALL would be split to pied/mottled AND lavender. Breed those offspring TOGETHER and you would get the following: (figuring in my head, so bear with me) black split to lavender, black split to pied/mottled, black split to both...

All those letters confuse me as well. My history is with parrots, so I get which genes are recessive, which are sex linked, etc.... But I have NO CLUE when it comes to alleles, loci, and so forth. I just know "what to what equals what". And the fact that parrot sex linked genes involve the...