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  1. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Will you be keeping pup with adult goat stock for 1st two years? That will be approach with next dog to be used primarily with herd. Bucks will be acquired first allowing dog to break in with them before females and ultimately young are exposed to young adult dog of about 2 years age.
  2. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Work on getting that dog's mind active on something else. I am dealing with same issue and it takes time. Take it on walks away from chickens and try to get interested in other stimuli. That is one of the problems that manifest most on small acreages where dog is bored out its mind. Most...
  3. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    When dog shows strong fidelity to location / yard with out actually being bonded to stock, that is indicative of a home range which is a component of territoriality. Some parties a few post back have suggested the LGD's are lacking in territorial behavior.
  4. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    We have an Ackbash,, multiple Great Pyrenees and a Komodore x Great Pyrenees. All are within fenced in areas that usually exceed 2 acres with most around 10 acres. When dogs get beyond the fence they will go a couple hundred yards at least although the current dogs will come back and attempt...
  5. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Interesting. LGD's are well known for the roaming tendency when kept on small acreages.
  6. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    I write with familiarity of both LGD's and smaller dogs in the context of protecting stock. Two LGD's are stationed outside my office with more beyond view. Feed consumption is proportional to dog size. Coyotes and smaller can be handled by 60 lb dogs with appropriate disposition very well...
  7. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    A coffee can is a lot. Pups are often easy to get for nothing. Two years to get into working order and on down hill slide in another five. Some actual working lines in Europe also have recent / ongoing gene exchange with European Gray wolves. That means more than one selective force...
  8. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    When I see the use of the term "real" preceding "livestock guarding dog" I get wary as seen such talk before and not been impressed with the attitude and facts supporting it. We employ a good number of them to protect herds of goats and sheep used for research. Herds defended, 25 to 100 head...
  9. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    All dogs with possible exception of beagles and the like require 2 years to mature mentally.
  10. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    I need to show how I fence about 5 acres of my total of 18, Entire cost was less than initial cost of one dog or three years maintenance of same dog. I keep two dogs and do the fencing plus have well over a hundred birds much of the year but never drop below about 70. The dogs cost the most...
  11. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Do you have the resources for a Newfoundland Dog? Should handle your climate just fine and very large. Not dog aggressive as typically desired in in LGD's but presence alone will keep most wild predators away. Dog may need a little training to promote kill interest in critters like a raccoon...
  12. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    I think you are dead set on dog regardless of comparative cost. Raccoon for me easy to beat on a budget with small flock like yours but if dog floats your boat then start the process. If you plan on a single dog then keep birds tight to make dog's work more doable during day. I assume you...
  13. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Follow this link and look to their shipping costs. I get Items out of Australia and shipping does not impact cost like you indicate. NAFTA should apply to you. Now follow link. http://www.kencove.com/fence/Electric+Net+Fencing_products.php
  14. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    For guarding a typical flock of chickens they eat a lot. After using dogs to protect sheep and goat herds of about 50 animals with one dog per herd, the dogs were deemed to expensive and swapped out for donkeys. Dogs are not cheap. You also have occasional vet bills with them as well...
  15. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Look for additional vendors. Cost for me is ~$135 per 164 foot length. My coons are every bit as tough as`yours and more numerous yet they do not defeat the netting. Limitation you will have is protecting an acre then it is recommended only four lengths per series to limit fire risk. How...
  16. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Electrical poultry netting will keep raccoons out. I use that and dogs. It is not a one dimensional approach when it comes to predator management. It is not just dogs, dog breed, fence, poultry breed, forage base, or your husbandry / dog handling technique. It the combination of this.
  17. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    What you are looking for are opinions. To make quality assessment you desire you need someone that has kept multiple dogs of multiple breeds over multiple years. That is expensive. Additionally most anecdotal information comes from context dogs were developed for such as working with herds...
  18. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    Acreage you have is tight. Smaller dog would be less expensive but still you might do better with electrified poultry netting as the netting when properly used will stop most ground predators. Overall, you are small enough to be blessed with ability to protect with options not involving dogs...
  19. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    You have just one. Many others have just one. That is reason experiences differ so much. Much of the difference can be chalked up to dog individuality. This does not even need to take into account the differences imposed by different situations.
  20. centrarchid

    Livestock guardian dogs

    I would work with dogs you have already. Training the chicken eater is easy with a little effort invested. The escape artists might be confinable using either hotwire or invisible fencing. Some of our dogs (also GP's) at work also get to be problematic with simple panel fencing for goats but...
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