the Blackest Ones: on exploring the significance of Cemani mutations

Kularius said:

I'm from Poland... but I guess you asking where I live  
I live in Thailand do when you happen to be on holiday one day you are more then welcome to visit me on my small farm
I think they call them here Mongol chicken I don't know why but I saw some Thai chicken keepers calling similar roosters like that - but theirs have usually red ish comb.

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bluenkimchi said:

I love pay a visit someday...I'm originally from Thailand before moving to the USA as a kid.

From what I undertstand, in Thailand, they have 3 different types of black meat chickens. There are ka dam phuphan, Yunnan silkies and black Mongolian. The Yunnan and black Mongolian looka similar and have straight combs and a body more similar to the layer type of chickens, while the ka dam phuphan has thai gamefowl influenced and are for the majority are pea comb and more gamefowl in phenotype.

The more reddish comb can be that they have less of the fibro-melonisis genes. Even yours trio with darker combs will produce some offspring with reddish/mulberry colored combs.

And since you're now living in Thailand, you have a better chance to obtain some really Indonesia ayam cemani. I've seen some nice ones on FB of ayam Cemani in Thailand. I think the majority of Cemani and other chicken farmers are in northern Thailand, like Chang Mai, Chang Rai,Nakhon and surrounding areas?

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Kularius said:

I live in North of Thailand in Phayao (exactly between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai) and I have Ayam Cemani already - 5 hens and 1 rooster Black like hell itself not even small sign of colour on their feathers  

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bluenkimchi said:

That's awesome....you got the real deal

....we here have settle for the European imported stocks and these can't compared....even their looks have changed too...majority of European ayam Cemani are soft feathers/fluffy and have a body more similar to layer type of chickens, rather than the gamier body type of real Indonesian stocks.

My guess is that once imported into Europe, thet may have been crossed with ?

Love to see pictures if you don't mind sharing them of your ayam Cemani

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Allyn said:

Hello,
What a great thread. I live in Thailand I get the pleasure of going to Java soon. The purpose of my trip is looking for eggs to bring back to Thailand of the blackest most beautiful of these birds that I can find. Unfortunately I don't really know the names of any breeders over there or specific regions that I can find the best birds. I would greatly appreciate any insight into these areas that anyone can get. Thank you for your consideration
Craig

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Chambertin said:

By week, I hope you mean 1 year and 6 months...
I had a project I was working on back in China. I had a couple all black breeds and was experimenting with them by seeing just how deep the pure black genetics ran. had some interesting results, some like the "Holstein" one shown on here and others where it took all the color out of the feathers and got the "regular chicken in black and white" while others were hardly affected.

One of my favorites was this one who had a white feather expression in the deep black skin.

I have left China and due to an import ban I couldnt take my hobby with me.
Really bummed out about that one because I was starting to see some really intersting things in the way that all black breeds pass on traits and I REALLY wanted to work with my grey girls, such interesting patterns.

So are there any people selling now?
My original project and hobby cant continue, but I would like to try and start a new one.
Honestly any kind that is all black would do, the more to learn the better.

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