Brown Red American Gamefowl and throw backs

[RFoxfire]

I’ve a family of Brown Reds I’ve been breeding for a few years and have a cock that threw two BB Red (wild-type) colored chicks out of a clutch last year and so far two more black breasted red chicks this year.

I know Joe Wingate infused Red Horse, Shuffler and Whitehackle blood over the years into his brown reds as well as ginger and mahogany colored fowl and at some point Hatch were infused in Alabama. Joe Wingate also used Asils for separate lines but I am wondering if anyone else out there breeds brown reds.

If so, does anyone get throw back colors? I’m assuming this gene is coming from the Hatch blood found in some of the Alabama Brown Reds, but am curious.

The brown red cock that threw these colors is attached below.

 

[Lemon-Drop]

I don't know much about genetics. I'm sorry!

I know @MysteryChicken and @nicalandia are good with this sort of thing.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Only thing I know is brown red, is a variation, of Birchen, like Black Copper, but different strains of Gamefowl I'm still learning about, so I won't be much help with the other portion.

Just looked up the Gamefowl, & color, & it seems just as common as the solid red neck variation.

 

[RFoxfire]

Only thing I know is brown red, is a variation, of Birchen, like Black Copper, but different strains of Gamefowl I'm still learning about, so I won't be much help with the other portion.

Just looked up the Gamefowl, & color, & it seems just as common as the solid red neck variation.

I recently read that brown reds are a type of birchen. It confusing for sure, particularly once you get into literature or communities like gamefowl. Brown red is shorthand for brown breasted brown red, but the standard actually describes my fowl (most likely) as a streaky breasted orange red. Brown red is also an actual strain, mostly joe Wingate and various descendants of, and also used to describe fowl of that color within other families, like a brown red Mug. To make it more confusing, Irish blacks is a name I read used, or simply blacks. Some Brown Reds have black breasts and are actually black reds, but I don’t really have those in my family.

Anyhow, I’m assuming the throw back is from the Hatch infusion. Hatch fowl were created from the Irish brown reds, Whitehackle and roundheads as far as I know so, these color patterns come up. Was just curious if anyone out there had had a similar experience with a particular bird within their family.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I recently read that brown reds are a type of birchen. It confusing for sure, particularly once you get into literature or communities like gamefowl. Brown red is shorthand for brown breasted brown red, but the standard actually describes my fowl (most likely) as a streaky breasted orange red. Brown red is also an actual strain, mostly joe Wingate and various descendants of, and also used to describe fowl of that color within other families, like a brown red Mug. To make it more confusing, Irish blacks is a name I read used, or simply blacks. Some Brown Reds have black breasts and are actually black reds, but I don’t really have those in my family.

Anyhow, I’m assuming the throw back is from the Hatch infusion. Hatch fowl were created from the Irish brown reds, Whitehackle and roundheads as far as I know so, these color patterns come up. Was just curious if anyone out there had had a similar experience with a particular bird within their family.

I don't have much experience with this, so I'll let whoever may know give you your answer.

I do agree it's confusing.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Gorgeous Birds by the way.

 

[Silexian]

Seeing as most gamefowl back in the day were bred for gaminess. Instead of to a standard of color. It is common to have throw backs of other colors pop up. My Beaton Hatch are Black Breasted Reds. I get an occasional Wheaten from them.

 

[nicalandia]

I’ve a family of Brown Reds I’ve been breeding for a few years and have a cock that threw two BB Red (wild-type) colored chicks out of a clutch last year and so far two more black breasted red chicks. I’m assuming this gene is coming from the Hatch blood found in some of the Alabama Brown Reds, but am curious.

This is a very good Assumption.

Wildtype(chipmunk chick down, Black Breasted Red) can hide in a Brown Red line for many generations until two heterozygous parents are bred. Pure Brown Red are ER/ER, s+/s+, Gold enhancers. Heterozygous males and females(like the sire/dame of the wildtype chicks you are getting) are indistinguishable from homozygous birds. Your pair is ER/e+(both) s+/s+, Gold enhancers.

 

[RFoxfire]

Gorgeous Birds by the way.

Thank you. They are my main family at the moment. Working on building up a few other strains this spring/summer.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Thank you. They are my main family at the moment. Working on building up a few other strains this spring/summer.

You're welcome.

Good luck.