Can mixed breeds look like Pomeranians?

[iambebabeba]

This is Pyramid (daughter named her) she is a white embden/brown African x Toulouse/embden/Chinese . What should I cross her with to get more that look just like her? I can’t get Pomeranians here in Hawaii but she is so lovely. Her siblings came out mostly grey with some white patches and wing tips, 2 solid white and One look similar to a lavender. I will post some picture of them later today. What Should I breed her to ? her own siblings or father or a different pure breed ? Also I’m not sure yet she is a female. That’s just a guess. If she is male what should I breed her to. I would love my whole flock to have these beautiful pied patches.

 

[iambebabeba]

Ok here are some pictures of the flock. This is Dad Embden/Toulouse/Chinese

These are the siblings

This is mom the embden/brown African cross she is the all white one.

 

[NatJ]

Geese aren't really my thing, but these ideas should work with any species:

--Hatch more eggs from the same parents (they produced this color once already!)

--Cross the special one to the opposite-sex parent, cross the sisters to the father, brothers to the mother. (Good chance of getting more special ones.)

--Cross the special one to any gander or goose, then cross a son or daughter back to the special one. Also cross sons and daughters with each other.


I googled for goose genetics... the only spotting I find is caused by one gene, called spotting or saddleback. But the pictures look different than your goose. So I don't know if it is that gene or not.

The saddleback or spotting gene in geese is sex-linked and recessive. If that is what your geese have, the breeding ideas I listed above will work just fine. If it's something else, they are still a sensible way to deal with a color caused by unknown genes.

 

[iambebabeba]

Geese aren't really my thing, but these ideas should work with any species:

--Hatch more eggs from the same parents (they produced this color once already!)

--Cross the special one to the opposite-sex parent, cross the sisters to the father, brothers to the mother. (Good chance of getting more special ones.)

--Cross the special one to any gander or goose, then cross a son or daughter back to the special one. Also cross sons and daughters with each other.


I googled for goose genetics... the only spotting I find is caused by one gene, called spotting or saddleback. But the pictures look different than your goose. So I don't know if it is that gene or not.

The saddleback or spotting gene in geese is sex-linked and recessive. If that is what your geese have, the breeding ideas I listed above will work just fine. If it's something else, they are still a sensible way to deal with a color caused by unknown genes.

I would breed more but I don’t have her mother anymore. I will try breeding her to one of her siblings and hope for the best or if I can find another goose that’s not related with similar traits. I wonder what I would get if I crossed her with a pilgrim ?

 

[NatJ]

I wonder what I would get if I crossed her with a pilgrim ?

I wouldn't, unless you know yours does NOT have the saddleback gene.

Pilgrims have the dilution gene.
Saddleback + dilution = white.
So that might be a path toward re-creating nice white Embdens.

I would breed more but I don’t have her mother anymore. I will try breeding her to one of her siblings and hope for the best

Do you have her father? You could cross her to him.

You can also cross her sisters with her brothers--some of them might produce the right color too.

 

[iambebabeba]

I wouldn't, unless you know yours does NOT have the saddleback gene.

Pilgrims have the dilution gene.
Saddleback + dilution = white.
So that might be a path toward re-creating nice white Embdens.



Do you have her father? You could cross her to him.

You can also cross her sisters with her brothers--some of them might produce the right color too.

Yes I do have her father. Thanks for the heads up about the pilgrims cross because I have 1 female pilgrim. I will try crossing the pilgrim and Pyramid to her father. I suspect he has the spotted gene because he is spotted. He is mostly white with light and grey spotting all over .

That’s him on the left.

 

[iambebabeba]

Wait a second. Is the spotting gene the same as the saddleback gene? If it is I will use a different male on my Pilgrim Peety.

 

[Goosebaby]

I was just reading the this other day trying to predict what one of my goslings might look like. https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/our-guide-to-colour-and-pattern-genetics-in-geese.561779/

I might not understand it fully so I can’t say for sure, but maybe cross her with another white goose?

 

[NatJ]

Wait a second. Is the spotting gene the same as the saddleback gene?

The saddleback gene is also called spotting gene, yes.

I can only find information on 4 color genes for geese:
dilution
saddleback (= spotting)
buff
blue

And all four of them are sexlinked!
And three of them are sexlinked, with blue being the exception.

I don't know if that means goose colors are genetically simple, or if it just means that no-one's studied them enough to figure out more.

 

[iambebabeba]

The saddleback gene is also called spotting gene, yes.

I can only find information on 4 color genes for geese:
dilution
saddleback (= spotting)
buff
blue

And all four of them are sexlinked!
And three of them are sexlinked, with blue being the exception.

I don't know if that means goose colors are genetically simple, or if it just means that no-one's studied them enough to figure out more.

Awesome. Thanks