Color has me puzzled

[My2butterflies]

Hello,
It's been a long while since I've been on here. Life has been busy as I'm sure everyone can relate.

I just hatched out some turkey poults and I'm really not sure what color they are.
Right now my adults are black(male and females) and royal palm(male). I did have a bronze male back in the spring so his genetics might be part of these poults.

These are the two in question

I was looking on porters page but I'm still lost. And using the color calculator has always been very confusing to me. I'm no good when it comes to genetics

Any help is very appreciated.

 

[Molpet]

@austria89 has also developed a calculator. He is very good with ID
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/turkey-color-calculator.1617174/

 

[Molpet]

oh pics of parents might show genetics easily missed

 

[My2butterflies]

@austria89 has also developed a calculator. He is very good with ID
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/turkey-color-calculator.1617174/

I'll take a look at that, thank you!

oh pics of parents might show genetics easily missed

Oh yes! Sorry I forgot to add parent pictures.
Top left and middle are the females. The middle female is the daughter of the female on the top left. Her dad is one of the males.

This was the "middle" female last fall. She had a lot of white mixed in, but lost it all when she molted.

 

[My2butterflies]

Hmm, I tried the calculator and still didn't see anything like these two.

 

[austria89]

I'll take a look at that, thank you!

Oh yes! Sorry I forgot to add parent pictures.
Top left and middle are the females. The middle female is the daughter of the female on the top left. Her dad is one of the males.
View attachment 3849421
This was the "middle" female last fall. She had a lot of white mixed in, but lost it all when she molted.
View attachment 3849422

There are quite a few things going on here. Neither the female black, nor the black male seem to be pure.
The male seem to carry a red gene and seems to have a split base color (Black/Bronze).
If you could provide more detailed pictures I could narrow it down even more.

 

[My2butterflies]

What do you need? I can definitely get better pictures if you let me know the angles or specifics you'd like. Wings, heads, top view, side view, ect.

There are quite a few things going on here. Neither the female black, nor the black male seem to be pure.
The male seem to carry a red gene and seems to have a split base color (Black/Bronze).
If you could provide more detailed pictures I could narrow it down even more.

They were sold to me as "artisan golds" from runnings. The black male has always had at least one full bronze tail feather. So I could definitely see that being in his background.
And the younger female is half whatever the black male is and royal palm.

 

[austria89]

What do you need? I can definitely get better pictures if you let me know the angles or specifics you'd like. Wings, heads, top view, side view, ect.

They were sold to me as "artisan golds" from runnings. The black male has always had at least one full bronze tail feather. So I could definitely see that being in his background.
And the younger female is half whatever the black male is and royal palm.

Wings, lower back and tail.
The better the lighting and the resolution, the better I can tell you exactly what is going on.