Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

I do agree packing makes a difference. I only received one double boxed shipment. I've read the 101 post a dozen times and do all I'm supposed to for shipped eggs it seems to me-settle12 hr, don't turn for 24-48 hr, never candle anyway but up, I did stop the turner on day 16 for a couple of sets which didn't make any difference in numbers.

I wonder how detached and saddle shaped cells impacts judging age by cell size. I've had such a hard time judging draw down by cell size because the air cells are so jacked up. I've also wondered about the accuracy of weighing as a method of tracking loss in shipped eggs. Some of the university papers I've reviewed emphasize starting with fresh laid weight to calculate the 13% loss. Well, wouldn't shipped eggs have already lost weight? If I use the weight on arrival to me, I'll end up taking them down more from their fresh laid weight then recommended.

For what it's worth, I weighed my last set of home eggs and ended up with some loosing 20%. If shipped eggs loose before they get to me, then I'm letting them loose more then they should, that might explain the shrink wrapping I'm seeing on eggtopsy. Doesn't explain the day 18-19 deaths though does it?

yes shipped eggs loose weight, HOWEVER if they are collected on 1,2 & 3 days before shipment, and 2-3 days in the postal system, how old are the eggs? possible of 3 to 6 days old TOTAL right?
so if they shipped in bubble wrap it will actually prevent water loss from the egg to a degree, I posted an study a while back on keeping eggs in plastic to keep them fresher for incubation. anyways, so they are shipped as such and no older than 3-6 days for any of the eggs, so now sit an egg where you store them at temperature and humidity for storage and mark air cells until day 6. you will find pretty small air cells!

I can do this again and take pics if you dont want to do it, try the simple things to get a better understanding of their eggs and incubation, like shaking eggs at day olds, to 6 day olds and see how much force it takes to dislodge an air cell.

I am not fond of weighing eggs! I now know for a fact that I loose alot more than is suggested for chicken eggs! WEighing these duck eggs is in fact an eye opener!

see below duck eggs chart... and I will add that I feel in no way that any of the air cells are too large, the ones with the greatest loss also have the largest yellow area in the bottom without chol membranes! Some air cells appear way small to my eye! I am really worried about the amount of room they have in the eggs right now, with the choloric mem never reaching the bottom



Here is the membrane from freshly hatched White Faced Spanish
look awesome,

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Ducks first swim

 

[rbaker0345]

Hey Sally, I wan't to make a quote of yours into a bumper sticker "if it aint green or stinky, it should be okay" I think it would be a good seller.

And you were right, my little guy was a little sleepier and his respiration was a little faster than the others for a couple of days but now he's seemed to get over whatever developmental deficits he's had and he's completely healthy. Thank goodness, I have so been wanting to hatch a little blue silkie with a vaulted skull. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

But this has been a lesson to me about hatching old eggs. This last hatch was from a bunch of eggs that had been too old to ship and so they sat on the counter for like two weeks and I thought "what the heck, I'll just throw them in the incubator and see what hatches."
Well out of 12 eggs that went into lockdown, I have four healthy chicks plus one that can't stand up and has scissors beak and what sounds like fluid-filled lungs and I think I will have to put it down, and one that hatched all wet and sticky and died while still in the hatcher. The rest were either completely formed and dead or died awhile ago and one of the ones that did hatch was that little blue one with the weirdly placed umbillicus. Note to self: don't hatch two week old eggs ever again, its too horrifying and a complete waste of time. Maybe it has something to do with the temperature that I keep the house at at night.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Hey Sally, I wan't to make a quote of yours into a bumper sticker "if it aint green or stinky, it should be okay" I think it would be a good seller.

And you were right, my little guy was a little sleepier and his respiration was a little faster than the others for a couple of days but now he's seemed to get over whatever developmental deficits he's had and he's completely healthy. Thank goodness, I have so been wanting to hatch a little blue silkie with a vaulted skull. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

But this has been a lesson to me about hatching old eggs. This last hatch was from a bunch of eggs that had been too old to ship and so they sat on the counter for like two weeks and I thought "what the heck, I'll just throw them in the incubator and see what hatches."
Well out of 12 eggs that went into lockdown, I have four healthy chicks plus one that can't stand up and has scissors beak and what sounds like fluid-filled lungs and I think I will have to put it down, and one that hatched all wet and sticky and died while still in the hatcher. The rest were either completely formed and dead or died awhile ago and one of the ones that did hatch was that little blue one with the weirdly placed umbillicus. Note to self: don't hatch two week old eggs ever again, its too horrifying and a complete waste of time. Maybe it has something to do with the temperature that I keep the house at at night.

lol

horror story hatch eh?
I set two week old eggs and dont have issues, how do you store them?

 

[R2elk]

As requested here are some pics of how I adapted for candling the 3000 lumen flashlight that Sally Sunshine recommended. It is a very easy task if a person can find the 1 1/4" foam pipe insulation but since all I had available to me was the 1" foam pipe insulation, I cut an extra piece to fill the exposed gap and used electrical tape to tape the foam together. By using a little compression it made the foam fit very tightly but can still be pulled off of the flashlight without untaping it. Not very fancy, but total time involved was less than 5 minutes.

 

[Waffle]

i see a booming business in your future.

the kids are finally and legally ours. another 6-12 months and they shall be here

everyone is well. these pics were this morning before they went off to swim with whale sharks

What beautiful children. Congrats! I bet those months just cant go quick enough!

 

[Waffle]

Still waiting for incubator to arrive!! URRRGH! getting nervous! How is everyon today? Sorry my time on here will be unpredictable. With the Two kids and chickens dogs cats and husband my time is taken UP!! Will get on as often as I can though.

 

[Waffle]

As requested here are some pics of how I adapted for candling the 3000 lumen flashlight that Sally Sunshine recommended. It is a very easy task if a person can find the 1 1/4" foam pipe insulation but since all I had available to me was the 1" foam pipe insulation, I cut an extra piece to fill the exposed gap and used electrical tape to tape the foam together. By using a little compression it made the foam fit very tightly but can still be pulled off of the flashlight without untaping it. Not very fancy, but total time involved was less than 5 minutes.

love it! what a great idea. I just use my hand but might give this a shot

 

[Waffle]

Ducks first swim

awwww Maddie says they are sweethearts and wow they are Ducks! cant wait to see her little face when ours hatch!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

As requested here are some pics of how I adapted for candling the 3000 lumen flashlight that Sally Sunshine recommended. It is a very easy task if a person can find the 1 1/4" foam pipe insulation but since all I had available to me was the 1" foam pipe insulation, I cut an extra piece to fill the exposed gap and used electrical tape to tape the foam together. By using a little compression it made the foam fit very tightly but can still be pulled off of the flashlight without untaping it. Not very fancy, but total time involved was less than 5 minutes.

Thank you!

Still waiting for incubator to arrive!! URRRGH! getting nervous! How is everyon today? Sorry my time on here will be unpredictable. With the Two kids and chickens dogs cats and husband my time is taken UP!! Will get on as often as I can though.

did you get tracking?

Quote: LOL wait until she asks if she can get in the tub with them ha ha ha