Dried out tip of tongue/panting hen

Avfields

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Not sure if my hen needs help - would appreciate advice!

1) Maz is a 24 week old Bluebelle, weight 2.3kg. Originally from a commercial farm.
2) Tip of tongue dry, intermittent panting and open mouth breathing at night/during day even when not particularly warm (but no wheeze/rattle/gasping, no discharge). A bit underweight compared to another hen named Lupin (same breed/age/source), but we think Maz had a bad case of worms when we got her - hunched and fluffed, but perked up a lot after Flubenvet.
3) Unsure how long tongue tip has been dried out - only noticed it today. Panting - noticed not long after we got her at 8 weeks of age.
4) Our other Bluebelle Lupin does pant a little when it is hot, but not routinely. Her tongue is fine. Maz's comb has been floppy since it grew in, but Lupin's is upright. Both birds have two symmetrical brown/dark dots on their palate (pic below) - not sure if this is normal, my light Sussexes do not have them.
5) As they were from a commercial flock, both birds had their upper beaks trimmed.
6) Theories - Potentially vitamin deficiency caused by original worms? Potentially damage from debeaking? Potentially mycotoxicosis? (pretty sure the feed is dry and ok to eat, but they free range and do rummage a lot in damp left litter). Not sure what accounts for the panting.
7) Feed is mostly layers pellets, scratch or seeds (up to an eggcup a bird per day) in afternoons. Bits of fruit sometimes. Whatever she can find when free ranging. Currently whole flock is being treated for coccidiosis, as one of the younger birds has been struggling (amprolium in the water).
8) Poop looks normal as far as I can tell. Occasionally see a small blob of pinkish tissue in it. Was checking the other hen's poop for coccidiosis, so I had a look at hers too (pic below, about 1mm across) - no sign of Eimeria oocytes, but lots of little clumps of who knows what!
9) Nothing so far except changing bedding from wood shavings to chopped hemp (no improvement).
10 ) Intention to leave her be unless someone has a good suggestion/she gets worse.
11) Pics of tongue, palate, and poop under a microscope below.
12) Housing is a wood coop raised on stilts, bedding is chopped hemp.

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) Feed is mostly layers pellets, scratch or seeds (up to an eggcup a bird per day) in afternoons. Bits of fruit sometimes. Whatever she can find when free ranging. Currently whole flock is being treated for coccidiosis, as one of the younger birds has been struggling (amprolium in the water).
Are you feeding scratch, seeds or fruit daily?
 
Hi Kiki, yes they get scratch in small quantities most days, sometimes sunflower seeds or grapes.
 
Hi @Avfields, did you ever find any answers for your girl?
I am experiencing the same with our Bluebelle - just noticed a brown colouration to her tongue that I swear was never there before..!
The whole flock is also being treated for coccidia at the moment with amprolium in the water.. I wonder if this is the cause?
Please do let me know how you got on and how your girls are now - did the pink tissue in the poo eventually go away?
Thank you! 🥰
 
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Hi Avfields, did you ever find any answers for your girl?
I am experiencing the same with our Bluebelle - just noticed a brown colouration to her tongue that I swear was never there before..!
The whole flock is also being treated for cocci at the moment with amprolium in the water.. I wonder if this is the cause?
Please do let me know how you got on and how your girls are now - did the pink tissue in the poo eventually go away?
Thank you! 🥰
Please see this thread:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/posts/21815089
 
Hi Avfields, did you ever find any answers for your girl?
I am experiencing the same with our Bluebelle - just noticed a brown colouration to her tongue that I swear was never there before..!
The whole flock is also being treated for coccidia at the moment with amprolium in the water.. I wonder if this is the cause?
Please do let me know how you got on and how your girls are now - did the pink tissue in the poo eventually go away?
Thank you! 🥰
Hi @Chicken_Hannah :frow Welcome To BYC

I'm sorry no one responded to your post and questions.
The OP @Avfields has not been on in a good while so they may not have seen it.

Can you post photos of the hen's tongue, her poop and of her?
Describe any symptoms she may be exhibiting (lethargy, not eating/drinking, etc.) and any treatment(s) you have been giving.
Your giving Amprolium (Corid) what dose?
Are you giving any vitamins like Poultry Cell or Poultry Nutri-Drench?
What do you feed?
Age of your birds?

Hopefully with more info/details along with photos we can make some suggestions.
Thanks!
 
Hello @Wyorp Rock, thank you very much for the friendly welcome 😊

💩🦠Yes of course, let me give you some background:🦠💩

- I have 3 chickens, one 2 year old and two that are around 7 months old. These new girls sadly came with coccidiosis from the breeder (I assume this as their intestinal lining has been shedding since the day we took them home).
- They eat layers pellets with Verm X, layers mash, mixed corn, mealworms and sunflower seeds as treats. Sometimes some oily fish or natural yoghurt too. I try to give them additional multivitamins and probiotics on a daily basis, especially Vitamin B1 as I understand that Corid can cause a thiamine deficiency.
- As I said before, the bloody red mucous started back in late May and unfortunately it has been passed onto the older chicken who was previously in great health. Some poops can be perfectly normal and solid, others very watery. Often there is a blob of red tissue on top (see photo - poop from today).
- Since late May, they have been treated twice with Corid in their water at around 6ml per 1 litre water, but sadly the lining just would not shift!
- Bought some Coxitabs pills as an alernative treatment - these contain Diclazuril instead of Amprolium, and they had one dose of these on July 8th. Symptoms improved but have crept back in.
- We religiously pick up every poop we see and spray the area with Vykil disinfectant. I've just bought another kind of spray that is specific to killing oocysts, so I plan to start using this too. We are also going to gut the coop on Saturday and do a deep clean! We also use diatomaceous earth on the floor of the coop.
- The girls seem very happy, exploring the garden and laying eggs consistently. They love their food and are putting on weight. Today whilst cuddling my 2 year old, she adjusted her crop and I noticed her tongue had turned brown! No other symptoms at all.. she drinks well and their water currently contains Corid.
- A faeces sampling kit arrived in the post today.

Can anyone offer any advice? I may repeat the diclazuril treatment this weekend. If that doesn't work, should I look at getting some Baycox?

Thank you for your time!! 🐔💗

*UPDATE*
I've just done some reading on an old thread and discovered that by me giving extra Vitamin B1, this is actually stopping the Amprolium from working and should only be given after treatment! 😔

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They eat layers pellets with Verm X, layers mash, mixed corn, mealworms and sunflower seeds as treats. Sometimes some oily fish or natural yoghurt too. I try to give them additional multivitamins and probiotics on a daily basis, especially Vitamin B1 as I understand that Corid can cause a thiamine deficiency.

We religiously pick up every poop we see and spray the area with Vykil disinfectant.

We are also going to gut the coop on Saturday and do a deep clean! We also use diatomaceous earth on the floor of the coop.

The girls seem very happy, exploring the garden and laying eggs consistently. They love their food and are putting on weight. Today whilst cuddling my 2 year old, she adjusted her crop and I noticed her tongue had turned brown!
The tongue having a brownish color may be due to the vitamins or supplements you are giving. Staining.

I'd stop all the treatments and just go back to the basics. Fresh feed, fresh water, limit treats. Additional vitamins/minerals given daily shouldn't be necessary if you are feeding a nutritionally balanced feed. It is good to have vitamins on hand to give a bird a quick boost if needed.

The poop looks like cecal poop with some normal poop as well. Color doesn't really look that bad. Diet affects the color of the poop (as does vitamins/supplements). You're giving VermX daily which is an herbal supplement. Look at the ingredients, anything in there that may tinge the poop a reddish color? Beets, cinnamon, molasses....?

Coccidiosis is an overload of Coccidia which is a protozoa. Coccidia are naturally found in poop and soil. You will not be able to irradicate it with sanitizers, disinfectants, etc. etc.
Chickens build resistance to the strains which are found in their environment through exposure. It's only when there is an overload, there is a concern.

Getting the fecal float is a good idea, it will tell you if worms might be a concern.

You report they seem happy, explore and are laying eggs. This is the behavior of relatively healthy hens, not sick ones.
 
The tongue having a brownish color may be due to the vitamins or supplements you are giving. Staining.

I'd stop all the treatments and just go back to the basics. Fresh feed, fresh water, limit treats. Additional vitamins/minerals given daily shouldn't be necessary if you are feeding a nutritionally balanced feed. It is good to have vitamins on hand to give a bird a quick boost if needed.

The poop looks like cecal poop with some normal poop as well. Color doesn't really look that bad. Diet affects the color of the poop (as does vitamins/supplements). You're giving VermX daily which is an herbal supplement. Look at the ingredients, anything in there that may tinge the poop a reddish color? Beets, cinnamon, molasses....?

Coccidiosis is an overload of Coccidia which is a protozoa. Coccidia are naturally found in poop and soil. You will not be able to irradicate it with sanitizers, disinfectants, etc. etc.
Chickens build resistance to the strains which are found in their environment through exposure. It's only when there is an overload, there is a concern.

Getting the fecal float is a good idea, it will tell you if worms might be a concern.

You report they seem happy, explore and are laying eggs. This is the behavior of relatively healthy hens, not sick ones.
@Wyorp Rock, thank you so much for taking the time to provide some insight.

I have attached some additional poop photos below that I believe are definitely signs of coccidiosis - but only the fecal float will confirm this, and I will get that done ASAP!

Thank you again and I will update you when I get the results/if the girls take a turn 😊

Happy weekend!

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@Wyorp Rock, thank you so much for taking the time to provide some insight.

I have attached some additional poop photos below that I believe are definitely signs of coccidiosis - but only the fecal float will confirm this, and I will get that done ASAP!

Thank you again and I will update you when I get the results/if the girls take a turn 😊

Happy weekend!

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Looks like intestinal shedding.
Getting that fecal float will tell you which direction you need to go.
 

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