Egg bound AND worm ridden?

unladenchickens

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Hi all,

We have 8 hens coming up to about a year old now. They were unwanted at an early age and we ended up looking after them. Previously we had no chicken experience. Apart from sour crop in one (which I managed to cure) they've all been fine up until now and they even started laying over the winter :) They live in a big shed and have all day access to a largish (but fixed) exercise area about the size of a tennis court (mostly pine needles, tree roots and dirt with only minimal grass).

About a week ago I suspected one was egg bound. She was standing/ walking funny and a bit distant from the rest of the hens. Looking back now I remember noticing she was more prone to having a messy backside than the others, but thought nothing of it at the time. This was over the previous month.

Over the last week (since suspecting she was egg bound) she's developed a big round 'tummy' between her legs and now walks a bit more like a penguin. It's about the same firmness and size as a ripe orange between her legs and the skin is clearly visible when you look at her rear end (instead of being just a load of fluff). I've tried floating her in warm water (twice) and applying some olive oil to her vent, but nothing is happening.

She's still eating/ pecking/ walking about and not showing any sign of distress. She's not drowsy or lethargic (still hard to catch!) but definitely less social and a bit distant most of the time. But we've noticed that she has lost A LOT of weight now and does have watery poo. She eats (corn/ layers mash) along with the rest, but never for very long at a time. She never fills up her crop very much like the others do.

I'm ashamed to say (after doing some more research) that we've NOT been worming them. We were told it wasn't necessary, but it seems that actually most people DO worm regularly regardless - is that correct?

We are going to the vets tomorrow to get some kind of worming treatment (any advice there appreciated, but we will seek advice from the vet obviously).

My theory now is that she got worms, lost weight and this lack of condition caused the egg to get stuck. Does that make sense? I'm assuming she IS egg bound (correct?). She doesn't seem desperate to lay, but I have caught her in a laying box a few times - often just standing there.

What do people advise we do apart from treating for worms ASAP? Should I stick with the daily hot soaks. Should I bring her indoors and put her on hot towels/ water bottle at night? (not tried that yet) What else should I feed her to build up strength quickly?

Any advice MOST appreciated, thanks :)

PS as much as we love her, we won't hesitate to cull her if she shows any sign of distress.
 
It sounds like she is eggbound or an internal layer, which isnt good news. As far as eggbound goes; soak her in warm water up to her sides and massage her underside front to rear while she's soaking for about 20 minutes. Then put on a disposable glove and put some olive oil on a finger and insert it into her vent checking for debris. Then remove your finger and put olive oil just inside her vent. The warm water expands her oviduct, massaging helps move the egg along, finger in vent stretches it inside and olive oil will make it easier for her to lay the egg. Hopefully she'll lay the egg. You might have to repeat this proceedure as needed. If she's an internal layer, there's not much that can be done.
You can worm her as well. You can purchase safeguard liquid goat wormer cheaply. Administer orally with a syringe without a needle. Dosage is orally undiluted 1/2cc. Repeat again in 10 days. Here's a link if your feed store doesnt carry the safeguard:
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/safe-guard-dewormer-for-goats/camid/LIV/cp/I6-SK/cn/330/
 
We have a very similar situation, I also suspected egg bound, but after days of a hot soak, the hen eventually laid the oddest thing however her tail feathers are still down.

The rest of our flock seems to be coming down with a condition, tail feathers down, not laying, bad egg quality (when they do lay!). I too had no idea that you had to worm chickens - I'm suspecting this could be the issue rather than egg bound as I have read that if egg bound, they do not live very long.

Will be interested to hear what your vet says. I am trying to go organic so did not really want to give my chickens chemicals.....

If you could post the outcome of your visit would be really grateful

Many thanks K
 
We have a very similar situation, I also suspected egg bound, but after days of a hot soak, the hen eventually laid the oddest thing however her tail feathers are still down.

The rest of our flock seems to be coming down with a condition, tail feathers down, not laying, bad egg quality (when they do lay!). I too had no idea that you had to worm chickens - I'm suspecting this could be the issue rather than egg bound as I have read that if egg bound, they do not live very long.

Will be interested to hear what your vet says. I am trying to go organic so did not really want to give my chickens chemicals.....

If you could post the outcome of your visit would be really grateful

Many thanks K
I was on the organic bandwagon years ago and learned the hard way that chemicals are the way to go in keeping healthy chickens. I treat very aggressively with anything that pops up, especially worming.
 
Hi, I started this thread......thanks for the replies.

Just a quick update and some more questions!

After the course of worming the eggbound (or whatever she is) hen gradually perked up and now she's alert, and she hangs out with the rest as if normal again and she seems perfectly happy and much stronger and active. Plus she's started to put on weight which is great.

The only indication there is anything wrong (apart from not laying obviously) is that she still has an 'orange between her legs'. I think it is gradually reducing in size now though. Is it possible that she's reabsorbing the egg?

I have noticed one strange thing in the last few days though. I've seen her spit out clear fluid a couple of times. Looks just like water being squeeze out of a small water pistol, there's no drooling or anything. I wonder if anyone knows what that might indicate? It didn't seem to bother her. There was no retching, neck stretching or 'crop wiggling' before hand or afterwards.

Should I try more warm baths at this stage? (I tried a few before worming them and nothing happened, but she quite liked it!)

Anyway she's still with us and appears happy, so that's got to be a positive sign after so many weeks.

We also had a couple of broodies which wouldn't give up and so when someone offered us some fertilised eggs we thought why not! - It's all go!

Any more thoughts on the 'eggbound' hen greatly appreciated! :)
 
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