Injectable Vitamin b fortified for chickens.

[Dashizna]

I purchased some of this
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...mplex-fortified-injection-100-ml?cm_vc=-10005

I was dosing 1.5ml a day and the chicken seem to get better but now i gave her a shot yesterday and today its like she took 10 steps back now her legs don't work its like a perminant split going on.

Any ideas? Suggestions? Still wants to eat and drink just can't move around.

am i giving the wrong vitamins? To much Vitamin b?

is there something else i should be using? maybe some kind of mult vitamin ?

I also give https://www.southlandorganics.com/collections/poultry/products/catalyst-poultry-vitamin in the water from the time they are hatched.

So i am confused on how i am getting these birds with vitamin deffincencies.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

So i am confused on how i am getting these birds with vitamin deffincencies.

Hi there, welcome to BYC!

Sorry you are having trouble with your flock.

Please tell me how old is the bird showing symptoms and what are you feeding on a regular basis including treats? What do droppings look like? Can you load a video to youtube or vimeo and post the link here? Do the pupils appear clear and round?

NO supplement should be given more than 10 days in a row unless recommended by a veterinarian.

How long have you had the bird, was it ever treated for coccidiosis, any vaccines given at hatch? How long has this been going on for?

Adding your general location to your profile can help folks make the best suggestion possible at a glance.

Some nutrient deficit stuff includes vitamin E, selenium, and Riboflavin. B's cannot be overdosed. Some things like E, potassium, and some others CAN be overdosed.

Honestly, I would be considering Marek's... depending on some of your answers... but please don't panic or jump to conclusions! Here is a good read with accurate info regarding Marek's (noting many things look the same)...
Marek's

 

[Eggcessive]

Welcome to BYC. If you are already giving the poultry vitamins in water daily, then you do not need to be giving more B complex. Your vitamins have B1, B2, and other B vitamins, as well as other vitamins. Where were you giving the injections? Injections are normally given in the breast muscle. If you choose to use the B complex injectable, probably 0.25 ml daily is plenty.

Can you tell us about some of the problems that you have been seeing? Were your chickens vaccinated for Mareks?

 

[Dashizna]

Hi there, welcome to BYC! THANKS!

Sorry you are having trouble with your flock.

Please tell me how old is the bird showing symptoms and what are you feeding on a regular basis including treats? What do droppings look like? Can you load a video to youtube or vimeo and post the link here? Do the pupils appear clear and round?

NO supplement should be given more than 10 days in a row unless recommended by a veterinarian. I only do 5 days max. and 1.5 ml once a day.

How long have you had the bird, was it ever treated for coccidiosis, any vaccines given at hatch? How long has this been going on for? I had the flock tested last season and it was negative.

Adding your general location to your profile can help folks make the best suggestion possible at a glance. Thanks DONE!

Some nutrient deficit stuff includes vitamin E, selenium, and Riboflavin. B's cannot be overdosed. Some things like E, potassium, and some others CAN be overdosed.

Honestly, I would be considering Marek's... depending on some of your answers... but please don't panic or jump to conclusions! Here is a good read with accurate info regarding Marek's (noting many things look the same)...
Marek's

Vet checked the last one no mareks. Said it was a vitamin defincency and instructed me on how to give the vitamin b shots.

 

[Dashizna]

Welcome to BYC. If you are already giving the poultry vitamins in water daily, then you do not need to be giving more B complex. I agree but it seems around 4-5 months old i start getting some deficiant birds and they all result in death.

Your vitamins have B1, B2, and other B vitamins, as well as other vitamins.
Where were you giving the injections? I was told by my vet to do the shot under the skin not in the muscle. I do that by the breast and just under the ski.

Injections are normally given in the breast muscle. If you choose to use the B complex injectable, probably 0.25 ml daily is plenty.

Can you tell us about some of the problems that you have been seeing? Were your chickens vaccinated for Mareks? no vaccinations. i hatch all my birds. My older birds once they make it threw are all good. i have over 30 in 2 coops not one issue with them. Just the new birds and around 4-5 months roughly and not all of them only a few.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Vet checked the last one no mareks. Said it was a vitamin defincency and instructed me on how to give the vitamin b shots.

How did he check? Was it via necropsy?

What are you feeding?

It sounds very much like it could be Marek's... and I would not take a local vet's assessment but send away the next one to your state vet...
How to Send a Bird for a Necropsy

State poultry labs

I did see a fella... his local vet denied Marek's and settled for something else... only to have state vet confirm when another bird presented.

If it is truly a vitamin deficiency. Can a blood test be done to confirm??.. then it is likely genetic from your parent stock (If you are feeding a formulated ration not diminished by excess treat)... I did discover through hatch analysis that some of my hens were not putting out the same quality hatching eggs despite being fed the same nutritious feed with NO treats. I would be curious which hen(s) they were hatched from... might be worth keeping track of, if you don't already. I would expect that to show up sooner though. What breed are we talking about?

With regards to coccidia and coccidiosis... that can change at anytime... as cooccidia are in every chicken poo. Some in the flock may have better resistance or immunity. If chicks ever got puffed up and not eating well... they could have gotten some intestinal necrosis ... causing absorption issues in a portion of the intestines where nutrients are absorbed. It does not sound like this is your issue though!

Wish I could be more help. But thank you for sharing with us so we can learn and share with others also.

Hope you get some answers!

 

[Dashizna]

Vet checked the last one no mareks. Said it was a vitamin defincency and instructed me on how to give the vitamin b shots.

How did he check? Was it via necropsy? Blood test. bird was still alive. Also she looked at the pupils and explained how they would look like they are running or a Keyhole instead of round.

What are you feeding? i feed dunmor and follow the growing stages (starter, grower/finisher) also free range them and veggie scraps.

It sounds very much like it could be Marek's... and I would not take a local vet's assessment but send away the next one to your state vet...
How to Send a Bird for a Necropsy. Vet said i can do a necropsy myself it is very noticable. There will be tumors all around the spine. We also are raising birds for food and none of them have anything in them. She said if it was mareks all the birds would have it.

State poultry labs

I did see a fella... his local vet denied Marek's and settled for something else... only to have state vet confirm when another bird presented.

If it is truly a vitamin deficiency. Can a blood test be done to confirm??.. then it is likely genetic from your parent stock (If you are feeding a formulated ration not diminished by excess treat)... I did discover through hatch analysis that some of my hens were not putting out the same quality hatching eggs despite being fed the same nutritious feed with NO treats. I would be curious which hen(s) they were hatched from... might be worth keeping track of, if you don't already. I would expect that to show up sooner though. What breed are we talking about? This is a flock mixture. I have a Mosaic rooster and mosaic, Hens are rhode island productions, golden laced Wyandottes, and a few other unknowns.

With regards to coccidia and coccidiosis... that can change at anytime... as cooccidia are in every chicken poo. Some in the flock may have better resistance or immunity. If chicks ever got puffed up and not eating well... they could have gotten some intestinal necrosis ... causing absorption issues in a portion of the intestines where nutrients are absorbed. It does not sound like this is your issue though! Tested for coccidia and coccidiosis last one vet checked and was a negative. They also get https://www.southlandorganics.com/products/poultry-probiotic


Wish I could be more help. But thank you for sharing with us so we can learn and share with others also.

Hope you get some answers!

 

[Eggcessive]

To rule out Mareks, usually involves removing a feather shaft or a blood test, and sent off to a special lab that conducts the Mareks PCR testing. No local vet could do that. The best testing is probably done after one dies, when the state vet can look for tumors along nerves, on organs, skin, and elsewhere. If the vet is experienced with chickens and has seen Mareks, he might have made a guess, but testing is the best way to go. Many conditions can look like Mareks, so it best to rule out those things. Here is some reading about Mareks, including lookalike conditions in the second article:
https://extension.umd.edu/sites/ext...Preventing Mareks Disease in Small Flocks.pdf

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-great-big-giant-mareks-disease-faq.66077/

 

[Dashizna]

To rule out Mareks, usually involves removing a feather shaft or a blood test, and sent off to a special lab that conducts the Mareks PCR testing. No local vet could do that.
The best testing is probably done after one dies, when the state vet can look for tumors along nerves, on organs, skin, and elsewhere. If the vet is experienced with chickens and has seen Mareks, he might have made a guess, but testing is the best way to go. They sent the blood away. Wasn't done there. Also this is a Farm vet and she was well expericanced with mareks. But the blood came back negative (as she expected). PS that chicken survived and is still in my flock perectly fine after a round of vitamin b shots.


Many conditions can look like Mareks, so it best to rule out those things. Here is some reading about Mareks, including lookalike conditions in the second article:
https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_docs/programs/poultry/FS-1007 Recognizing and Preventing Mareks Disease in Small Flocks.pdf
yes i have done a lot of reading about meraks. I know a lot of people jump straight to mareks. But it will kill a entire flock. this isn't happening either. I have birds that are 5 years old no problems with them. Its only a few younger birds (4-5 Months roughly) here and there.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-great-big-giant-mareks-disease-faq.66077/

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Marek's does not kill entire flocks and some strains are more aggressive than others. Not all eyes will get the key hole look either. Lot's of folks right here on BYC have Marek's surviving flocks... @rebrascora might be one of them who can share her experience.

I am not jumping straight to that conclusion. But it could have been brought to your place after your older birds were past the common point of getting the tumors and it is effecting your younger birds.

There was one gene shown that does give resistance to Marek's... if more people bred for it there would be less Marek's loss.

I personally don't care for Dumor feeds... though they should be adequate by law and from my understanding still made by Purina for TSC. Since this is a recurring problem though... maybe consider switching to Purina flock raiser with oyster shell on the side for active layers... and SEE if you see any changes. That (20%protein) feed has worked really well for my dual purpose flock for a long period of time now. For hatching, raising Marans for meat, etc.

Hang in there, till you get this figured out.