Integrating Two Broods of chicks and to coop with older hens

bwood002

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Hello,
This is my second round with baby chicks and so three years new in raising and caring for a flock.
First, we started with a spring brood in spring 2022. They have all been great until summer 2024 when we had some coccidiosis take two of them when it was NC hot and humid this summer. We were able to save one but two were just weaker, in general. Then, lost one in the fall to a hawk. So, the three remaining are going strong but only one is laying as they have been on winter break.
We decided to brave a fall brood so we could get eggs in spring since our supply has been so low. (Still learning the rotation process!). We didn't want to wait a full year to ramp up our egg supply. So, the way it happened was that our local hatchery had a few chicks and so we picked up four there (1-black australorp, 1-speckled sussex, 2-EE's). Hatched on 10/30. Wanting more breeds, we decided to order 5 mail order chicks (2-lavender orps/2 chocolate orps/1 splash Maran) because we really like orpington and our local hatchery did not have any. So, they were a 11/12 hatch and arrived to us 11/14. They are 2 weeks younger than our first brood.

I naively thought the littles would catch up to the older chicks early on, but it did not happen and there was never a time I felt I could integrate them young. I have one in the older brood that has had 'roo-ish' behaviors since arrival and not sure it would work out safely. So, I did some reading and most people seem to suggest to integrate them when they all arrive to about the same size. So, we have kept them growing in two separate brooders! Now, the older ones are 12 1/2 weeks and the 'littles' are 10 1/2 weeks. The littles are catching up but not quite there yet.

My questions:
In dealing now with three separated flocks, which do I integrate first? The older hens (3) to the older chicks, then when the 'littles' catch up in size, integrate them to that flock? Currently, the older chicks are almost the size of the older hens.
OR, integrate the two younger flocks with each other between 14-16 weeks (anticipated to be closer in size as the older slow their size growth and the littles accelerate)?

Recently, we built a temporary 'brood' location where they can be next to each other, only divided by mesh, to help them 'get acquainted'.


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They are really quite uninterested in each other. Each day, I dribble some food on both sides of the divider so they are eating close to each other at the same time. But, that is the closest they get. And, interestingly, they all roost on the same side of the roosting bar that is closest to each other. So, good sign?

I will come back and post some more about the final coop, the older hens and our outdoor 'field trip' location where we let the older ones outside for a few hours to 'free range' with the others in a confined gate.
 
I would remove the barrier between the two groups of pullets. I think they'll be just fine. Size really does not have anything to do with it. I've integrated 5-week-old chicks into a flock of full grown hens and a rooster. It's all about resources. As long as they have plenty of space, lots of places to get food and water and plenty of places to perch they should be fine.
 
This is the coop setup. We have a 6x8 hen house with a 18'x8' run. We will move the existing dividers and install them into the run once the weather is warmer at night and the two young flocks are little bit older. Plan is somewhere between 16-18 weeks and it will likely be the same setup...with a divider between the two younger flocks but now they will be near the three older hens all the time until adjusting.

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the upper hen house has two (with option for a third) roost bars that run 8' across. Nesting boxes on both sides. Total is 6'x8'.
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The run is only partially shown but is full 8' x 18'. We also have a very large outdoor wooded and fenced area for free-ranging. Though we did have a hawk issue this fall when the trees lost foliage and so we may add a netted area to confine them closer to coop.

The dividers for integration will run on the right side of the ramp to the end of the run and a divider underneath to split that area to give them kind of a 'hidden' place to go. These are temporary structures until they are integrated.

We put them out in a small enclosure next to the coop and sometimes even in the coop to safely expose them.
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Please, any suggestions for integrations. Any experiences that might be helpful. Didn't realize it would be so challenging to need to integrate not two but three flocks! Definitely will not likely do this again. It's hard enough to manage the temps with a fall brood but even harder when there are two. ;-)
 

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This is the coop setup. We have a 6x8 hen house with a 18'x8' run. We will move the existing dividers and install them into the run once the weather is warmer at night and the two young flocks are little bit older. Plan is somewhere between 16-18 weeks and it will likely be the same setup...with a divider between the two younger flocks but now they will be near the three older hens all the time until adjusting.

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the upper hen house has two (with option for a third) roost bars that run 8' across. Nesting boxes on both sides. Total is 6'x8'.
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The run is only partially shown but is full 8' x 18'. We also have a very large outdoor wooded and fenced area for free-ranging. Though we did have a hawk issue this fall when the trees lost foliage and so we may add a netted area to confine them closer to coop.

The dividers for integration will run on the right side of the ramp to the end of the run and a divider underneath to split that area to give them kind of a 'hidden' place to go. These are temporary structures until they are integrated.

Please, any suggestions for integrations. Any experiences that might be helpful. Didn't realize it would be so challenging to need to integrate not two but three flocks! Definitely will not likely do this again. It's hard enough to manage the temps with a fall brood but even harder when there are two. ;-)

Or, are we overthinking the whole process...LOL! 😂
 
I would remove the barrier between the two groups of pullets. I think they'll be just fine. Size really does not have anything to do with it. I've integrated 5-week-old chicks into a flock of full grown hens and a rooster. It's all about resources. As long as they have plenty of space, lots of places to get food and water and plenty of places to perch they should be fine.
Ok, thanks. There is so much conflicting information about integration. And, our situation is somewhat unique. It probably would be nice to integrate them before moving them out so we don't need so many dividers outside. And, who knows...maybe it will go well enough that we can just let them out with the older hens and see how it goes?
 
Ok, thanks. There is so much conflicting information about integration. And, our situation is somewhat unique. It probably would be nice to integrate them before moving them out so we don't need so many dividers outside. And, who knows...maybe it will go well enough that we can just let them out with the older hens and see how it goes?
If you keep exposing them as much as possible to the hens, they will integrate much faster.
You need to put a lot more things into your run. They need 'structure'. Stuff to perch on, hide behind and scratch around. Add branches in the corners, pallets leaning up against the walls, stump arrangements, old wood chairs/stools, etc. Similar to this:
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I also have a bunch of flat stones in there that I can sprinkle feed on so everyone has a place to get something to eat during musical food piles.

Did you remove the barrier between the pullet groups?
 
If you keep exposing them as much as possible to the hens, they will integrate much faster.
You need to put a lot more things into your run. They need 'structure'. Stuff to perch on, hide behind and scratch around. Add branches in the corners, pallets leaning up against the walls, stump arrangements, old wood chairs/stools, etc. Similar to this:
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I also have a bunch of flat stones in there that I can sprinkle feed on so everyone has a place to get something to eat during musical food piles.

Did you remove the barrier between the pullet groups?
These are good ideas. There is a tree with about 5 branches at different heights that is not shown in the photo of the coop run. Adding some rocks and fixtures is a great idea. I will see what we have around. We are making some modifications to their current location before we open up the barrier. Will keep you posted.
 
We usually let the youngers out while supervising, for an hour or so daily, if we can. We can watch for any bullying and correct as needed. Ours are , ideally, integrated at 7-8 weeks , after a week or two of look-don’t touch.
Had an issue with our last clutch, seems that no one wanted them around, 3 different coops started getting violent with them. Had to start them in their own coop. Eventually started them free ranging together, but now they run back to their home to get away from bullies.
 
Thank you for sharing! This is our first time integrating and we have complicated things a little with two younger flocks. I'm hopeful since our breeds are more 'gentle' types and our hens are rather friendly that it wont be too bad. We have been moving them outside, daily, into a confided area near the coop where the hens are located. we put treats around the enclosure to attract the hens closet for 'safer' introductions. I'd love to try to free range them with the older ones but some of them are still a little flighty and want to wander off.
Time will tell.
 
Thank you for sharing! This is our first time integrating and we have complicated things a little with two younger flocks. I'm hopeful since our breeds are more 'gentle' types and our hens are rather friendly that it wont be too bad. We have been moving them outside, daily, into a confided area near the coop where the hens are located. we put treats around the enclosure to attract the hens closet for 'safer' introductions. I'd love to try to free range them with the older ones but some of them are still a little flighty and want to wander off.
Time will tell.
Try to keep in mind that there will be some scrapes to establish pecking order, and maybe some bullying at first. Most times they can work it out themselves. We panicked a few times at first when the little ones got pecked, but they learned their escape routes, and learned which biguns’ to stay away from until they got big too.
 

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