old chicken recipie/ or help with what to add for them,

[MarketGardener]

pre 20th cent chickens did well on meat , scraps and carcasses, being the garbage warriors they clean up what the find, siince reading stuff on here ive been throwing them an animal carcass to find them happy content , no fighting, quiet, nothing bad there happy as, they stil want the green scrap i throw at em . and there rummaging and digging eating grit more , when i grain fed they stood at the gate trying to escape and grab everything they could, now.. i could let them walk through the allotment veg no worries its changed everything ive known about chickens , ive had them 15 years now, all different feeds, trials the lot scrap feeders whatever , they were always greedy ''chickens'' thats how i saw them , i have wondered dont they get bored watching me at the gate ALL DAY!! only now have i seen them go be chickens lay bathing sleeping but laying as a flock and not watching for the next scrap,

https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/entities/publication/7b965443-b658-4f35-a859-fcd14f80224f good read

they still need some bits besides meat, and as i have no grass for them until next year i have to supplement them more than just a carcass,

so is there a calc i can use and see ?

my main amino acids will come from Meat, left over chicken /beef left overs n scraps/ rabbit and rabbit scraps, fish skins and heads ground up or fermented (hydrolysate) proteins will be high,
i dont want too much protein to make problems that way so i figure i need a scratch grain to ferment and roll for them ?

do i just make a basic one as they have most supplied? my main addition will be alfalfa , i can serve it wet or make it into a meal to mix in at feeding time as it stinks to ferment,


peas 15%
wheat 15%
barley 15%
oats 15%
alfalfa grass 35 %

extras
marrigolds , kelp
Oregano , Thyme , Rosemary , Star Anise
Bacillus subtilis , from fermentation and others, 5%

the idea is to sprout and ferment grains, and leave a tray out available after they had a rabbit in the morning, i plan to cook meat as it stops it spoiling and sticking to everything , but i wont object to them having some raw too,

the idea is they will hunt in the morning early getting bugs n mice etc any fresh kills left behind, then spend the day roaming fields eating grass and bits so im trying to replicate it lol

 

[GodLovesU]

Wow, I’ve never heard of chickens eating meat as such a large part of their diet!

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

pre 20th cent chickens did well on meat , scraps and carcasses, being the garbage warriors they clean up what the find, siince reading stuff on here ive been throwing them an animal carcass to find them happy content , no fighting, quiet, nothing bad there happy as, they stil want the green scrap i throw at em . and there rummaging and digging eating grit more , when i grain fed they stood at the gate trying to escape and grab everything they could, now.. i could let them walk through the allotment veg no worries its changed everything ive known about chickens , ive had them 15 years now, all different feeds, trials the lot scrap feeders whatever , they were always greedy ''chickens'' thats how i saw them , i have wondered dont they get bored watching me at the gate ALL DAY!! only now have i seen them go be chickens lay bathing sleeping but laying as a flock and not watching for the next scrap,

https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/entities/publication/7b965443-b658-4f35-a859-fcd14f80224f good read

they still need some bits besides meat, and as i have no grass for them until next year i have to supplement them more than just a carcass,

so is there a calc i can use and see ?

my main amino acids will come from Meat, left over chicken /beef left overs n scraps/ rabbit and rabbit scraps, fish skins and heads ground up or fermented (hydrolysate) proteins will be high,
i dont want too much protein to make problems that way so i figure i need a scratch grain to ferment and roll for them ?

do i just make a basic one as they have most supplied? my main addition will be alfalfa , i can serve it wet or make it into a meal to mix in at feeding time as it stinks to ferment,


peas 15%
wheat 15%
barley 15%
oats 15%
alfalfa grass 35 %

extras
marrigolds , kelp
Oregano , Thyme , Rosemary , Star Anise
Bacillus subtilis , from fermentation and others, 5%

the idea is to sprout and ferment grains, and leave a tray out available after they had a rabbit in the morning, i plan to cook meat as it stops it spoiling and sticking to everything , but i wont object to them having some raw too,

the idea is they will hunt in the morning early getting bugs n mice etc any fresh kills left behind, then spend the day roaming fields eating grass and bits so im trying to replicate it lol

Hello If you need more calcium can you take the bones after the chickens are finished with the carcass and then boil them until soft and grind them up and dry them into bonemeal for much added calcium? I have never done this. This is only thinking.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

Hello If you need more calcium can you take the bones after the chickens are finished with the carcass and then boil them until soft and grind them up and dry them into bonemeal for much added calcium? I have never done this. This is only thinking.

Hello I think now you meant calculator and not calcium. I'm sorry. The paper was interesting. Was H.L. Wilcke working for someone who was selling oats? Later on Wilcke had conferences about importance of soy for humans. I'm sure none of his soy was bioengineered though.

 

[saysfaa]

I don't know of a calculator for this situation. I don't think you need one, though, because what you are offering (ranging plus free choice: meat, grains, and greens including alfalfa) has an abundance of margin in all the components that the calculators check. And has an abundance of variety to help counter any imbalances.

I don't see mineral salt, though. I recommend offering that too. Look for one designed for your region but a generic one will do pretty well.

And a calcium source in a dish somewhere out of the rain (any or all of crushed eggshells, oyster shells, bone meal, di cal or something similar) if you have hens that you expect will lay more than (hm, say) 150 eggs per year. The 150 is an arbitrary number I just now chose from gut feeling... think concept here... what is the most likely limiting factor in the diet given the needs. Besides, it is very easy to do, very inexpensive, and has no risk at all.

What you are doing plus those two things is very close to what I would do all the time if I could. I manage to do it some of the time.

 

[MarketGardener]

Wow, I’ve never heard of chickens eating meat as such a large part of their diet!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...in-animal-scraps.1615801/page-2#post-27844197

It’s how it was done , chickens were kept and thrown all the scraps from harvesting etc a lot of meat some here do too, they want the bugs but their gone eaten lol , they are so damn happy after having meat I’m shocked , I even have eggs off a chicken today who I assumed was old and stopped laying it’s getting better daily It’s funny they seem satisfied now , also my Cornish isn’t aggressive anymore first thing , with the girls not me he thinks am his side arm lol

Best Buy is the chickens are not being nosey to the baby’s and hen and they was last week they even ate 2 eggs (apparently it’s after more protein ) which now they have I haven’t had an egg eaten or a squabble in days

 

[MarketGardener]

I don't know of a calculator for this situation. I don't think you need one, though, because what you are offering (ranging plus free choice: meat, grains, and greens including alfalfa) has an abundance of margin in all the components that the calculators check. And has an abundance of variety to help counter any imbalances.

I don't see mineral salt, though. I recommend offering that too. Look for one designed for your region but a generic one will do pretty well.

And a calcium source in a dish somewhere out of the rain (any or all of crushed eggshells, oyster shells, bone meal, di cal or something similar) if you have hens that you expect will lay more than (hm, say) 150 eggs per year. The 150 is an arbitrary number I just now chose from gut feeling... think concept here... what is the most likely limiting factor in the diet given the needs. Besides, it is very easy to do, very inexpensive, and has no risk at all.

What you are doing plus those two things is very close to what I would do all the time if I could. I manage to do it some of the time.

Thankyou for that somuch , yes I am getting them a stone bowl and a calcium bowl tomorow , I have limestone flour and shells egg shells I can do too no prob,
Salt? Really ? I have heard of it but always been worried my son in particular as one year he salted a puMpkin in an attempt to dry it out and forgot and I didn’t know so after throwing them it we had a fatality from too much salt he was devistated to say the least ,lesson learned both sides ,
So they need a salt I’m gona google it but out of chance how would your reccomend that one?
Ps google byc says no salt wil kill em? So sand and kelp in ferments should do the salt enough ?

 

[saysfaa]

I think you could just have a dish of salt left out like you would for calcium. That works well for providing salt to mammal livestock.

I'm thinking of either that or having a highly salted food option available in my upcoming chick raising experiment where I feed components free choice. The same food consistently carrying the salt and not otherwise available. Maybe mashed potatoes? But I think I want to offer potatoes too. I'm still working on the concept.

About the salted pumpkin: my best guess is the chickens had unsalted pumpkin before. It can take time for their bodies to respond to a food and let them know whether they should eat more of it or less of it.

 

[Penpal]

If they are eating insects they are getting calcium from the insects. You can also boil up bones into a broth (let simmer for 8 hours). It freezes well and you just offer it as a dish of water. Bone broth has calcium, phosphate, etc, everything needed for growing bones.

 

[MarketGardener]

@U_Stormcrow what your take on salt in my diet here buddy? Or any changes ,he said it’s perfect but salt ?