Paint with autosomal red

[Slothinc]

Hello all, I believe I have some paint bantams with autosomal red coming through. I believe that this came down from a lavender bantam ameraucana boy, possibly. I am wondering if anyone knows how difficult it will be to breed away from or if I need to scrap all of the birds showing this trait. I am working on a project but have to keep it small right now due to space restraints. So it would be a sacrifice to the project if I shouldn’t breed any of the birds showing this autosomal red.

Is there a way to breed away from the red, like breeding in more silver based birds?

Mainly I have a cockerel who has the potential to help the project greatly - he may carry one or two genes that I am breeding for. I may get him tested for those genes but I don’t really want to buy the tests if it is going to be a waste due to his coloring.

Any advice on the matter would be really helpful. Also wondering, if I have a black silkie with gold birchen and a marans cross that has the copper neck, are those linked to, or the same as autosomal red? Thanks! Tagging a few people who are way smarter about genetics than I am.

@Amer @MysteryChicken @nicalandia @NatJ

Group photo shows the two hens that have gold/copper necks to the left, and the 3 dirty paints in the middle. The other photos are the cockerel and one pic of the pullet who shares a father with the cockerel but has a different mother.

 

[Amer]

In this instance, I think breeding in silver would get rid of the autosomal red (but it would take a few generations to get back to solid black/white/paint without silver leakage.

 

[Slothinc]

In this instance, I think breeding in silver would get rid of the autosomal red (but it would take a few generations to get back to solid black/white/paint without silver leakage.

Thanks - that is so helpful to know that there is a possibility for breeding it out, even if it will take a few generations. Now if I can just figure out if I have any silver based hens, then I could use him over them. I will look into that option!

 

[Amer]

Thanks - that is so helpful to know that there is a possibility for breeding it out, even if it will take a few generations. Now if I can just figure out if I have any silver based hens, then I could use him over them. I will look into that option!

Use a silver male over hens actually due to the sexlinked nature of the gene.

 

[MysteryChicken]

In this instance, I think breeding in silver would get rid of the autosomal red (but it would take a few generations to get back to solid black/white/paint without silver leakage.

This Boy is Silver, but has tons of Autosomal Red.
So I think it maybe difficult to breed it out that way. His father had less Autosomal Red, but was completely Silver Based.

 

[MysteryChicken]

The mother showed Zero. I need to get updated pictures. Currently swapped to a new SD Card.

 

[Slothinc]

Use a silver male over hens actually due to the sexlinked nature of the gene.

Shoot I just gave away a black cockerel who had a tiny bit of silver leakage, so I’m guessing he was silver based.

I have 2-3 other boys here but not sure on them because they are lavender. Although some of them I believe have a little brown tint to the feathers - guessing that is autosomal red. I didn’t realize it was common in lavenders. And this among lavenders that I have gotten from different lines and different breeds.

 

[NatJ]

Tagging a few people who are way smarter about genetics than I am.

@Amer @MysteryChicken @nicalandia @NatJ

I don't have anything useful to add here, so I'm glad other people do

 

[Ladybird CA]

Beautiful chickens Sloth and Mystery! I have similar breeds but will probably have to wait until I move back to California when I'm old to have frizzles again. Unless DH adds an extension cord to the coop for heat in winter but he's too afraid of it being a fire hazard.