Piperazine dosage question

[Alice23]

Hi all,

I've read every thread on this topic but still can't find the right information so am hoping someone who uses this product can help me.

Label dosage: 90mls per 11 litres for 100 birds.

The label dosages are for 100 birds so when I convert everything down for just 2 chickens i get 0.16 mls in 1 litre of water - can that be right, such a small amount?

Or do I use the same amount for 100 birds as for 2?

I've seen a lot of info on wazine-17 but am not sure if it's exactly the same as piperazine in terms of active ingredient concentration so I'm not sure if i can use those dosages. I don't want to give them way too much as i've read it can be hard on their systems.

Your help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Hi all,

I've read every thread on this topic but still can't find the right information so am hoping someone who uses this product can help me.

Label dosage: 90mls per 11 litres for 100 birds.

The label dosages are for 100 birds so when I convert everything down for just 2 chickens i get 0.16 mls in 1 litre of water - can that be right, such a small amount?

Or do I use the same amount for 100 birds as for 2?

I've seen a lot of info on wazine-17 but am not sure if it's exactly the same as piperazine in terms of active ingredient concentration so I'm not sure if i can use those dosages. I don't want to give them way too much as i've read it can be hard on their systems.

Your help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

Welcome to BYC.
Sorry no one has responded.

This is my opinion.

Mix it according to the label directions. Your 2 birds would drink how ever much they would normally drink in a day. So they would most likely get the proper dosage they need. This would be from morning until they go to roost. Repeat in 7-10days for one day only.

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/721713/how-much-to-dose-wazine-17-for-worms

 

[Alice23]

Thanks for your input Wyorp Rock, I ended up doing just that as the chicken breeder I bought them from advised something similar. The label needs far more information!

Now i'm trying to find out how long the medicine should take to work as I haven't seen any worms in the droppings. I'm worried maybe they don't have roundworms but another type - I've no idea how you're meant to ID them though, they're so tiny. Does it just come down to whether they're flat (tapeworms) or round (a type of roundworm)?

I guess after I give the second dose of piperazine i'll administer a broad-spectrum dewormer.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thanks for your input Wyorp Rock, I ended up doing just that as the chicken breeder I bought them from advised something similar. The label needs far more information!

Now i'm trying to find out how long the medicine should take to work as I haven't seen any worms in the droppings. I'm worried maybe they don't have roundworms but another type - I've no idea how you're meant to ID them though, they're so tiny. Does it just come down to whether they're flat (tapeworms) or round (a type of roundworm)?

I guess after I give the second dose of piperazine i'll administer a broad-spectrum dewormer.

If you have a vet, you can take a fecal sample to have a fecal float test performed, they can tell you if there are worms present and what kind.

Piperazine treats only roundworms, were you seeing these in the poop?

 

[Alice23]

What I saw were tiny tiny little white worms sticking out of fresh droppings & wiggling around, I never saw an entire worm (i'm assuming they were the tips and the rest of the worm was inside the droppings). It was very hard to get a good look at them without a magnifying glass, I tried to look up how to ID them but didn't get much info. From what I could tell chicken worms were either obviously flat (being tapeworms) or rounded worms would mean a species of roundworm. These worms did not look flat but they only look a fraction of the size of some the worm pictures i've seen.

I already had a bottle of piperazine as someone from an agricultural store gave me that when I wanted to buy to worming medicine when I first got the hens. I haven't had to take them to a vet before but yes I might arrange a fecal sample if the medicine doesn't seem to be effective, thanks.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

What I saw were tiny tiny little white worms sticking out of fresh droppings & wiggling around, I never saw an entire worm (i'm assuming they were the tips and the rest of the worm was inside the droppings). It was very hard to get a good look at them without a magnifying glass, I tried to look up how to ID them but didn't get much info. From what I could tell chicken worms were either obviously flat (being tapeworms) or rounded worms would mean a species of roundworm. These worms did not look flat but they only look a fraction of the size of some the worm pictures i've seen.

I already had a bottle of piperazine as someone from an agricultural store gave me that when I wanted to buy to worming medicine when I first got the hens. I haven't had to take them to a vet before but yes I might arrange a fecal sample if the medicine doesn't seem to be effective, thanks.

Could have been round worms or possibly cecal worms.
Finish your treatment of Piperazine first, then it you continue to see the worms then most likely would be cecal. If they are cecal worms then Fenbendazole (Safeguard liquid goat wormer or horse paste) would take care of those.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/402055/help-one-of-my-chickens-stools-have-live-worms-in POST #8 shows round worms and cecal worms.
Worms in chickens:
http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html

 

[Alice23]

Could have been round worms or possibly cecal worms.
Finish your treatment of Piperazine first, then it you continue to see the worms then most likely would be cecal. If they are cecal worms then Fenbendazole (Safeguard liquid goat wormer or horse paste) would take care of those.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/402055/help-one-of-my-chickens-stools-have-live-worms-in POST #8 shows round worms and cecal worms.
Worms in chickens:
http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html

Yes I don't think it's roundworms anymore as they coming out in the droppings still moving. Also I was wrong & wasn't seeing just the tips, whatever they are they're only a few mm long and yellow. I'll attach some pictures (warning - gross!).
Thanks for the links, could be cecal worms or tapeworm larvae?

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Yes I don't think it's roundworms anymore as they coming out in the droppings still moving. Also I was wrong & wasn't seeing just the tips, whatever they are they're only a few mm long and yellow. I'll attach some pictures (warning - gross!).
Thanks for the links, could be cecal worms or tapeworm larvae?

I'm not sure which type of worm that is. The Fenbendazole should treat both tapeworms and cecal worms.
Dosage for Fenbendazole (Safeguard, Panacur) is 1/4 ml per pound for 5 days in a row.


https://poultrykeeper.com/digestive-system-problems/tape-worms-or-cestodes/

 

[Alice23]

I'm not sure which type of worm that is. The Fenbendazole should treat both tapeworms and cecal worms.
Dosage for Fenbendazole (Safeguard, Panacur) is 1/4 ml per pound for 5 days in a row.


https://poultrykeeper.com/digestive-system-problems/tape-worms-or-cestodes/

Yeah I can't seem to find out either :/
I'll see if I can get fenbendazole or a more general wormer, thanks for your help.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Yeah I can't seem to find out either :/
I'll see if I can get fenbendazole or a more general wormer, thanks for your help.

Either fenbendazole or Valbazen (albendazole) is probably your best bet...


Maybe ask @casportpony to look at the pic, she is a whiz when it comes to worms and poop pics, lol...