Pipped at the bottom

[StoneyAcreFarm]

Two fold question...
Day 25 in the incubator for my bobwhites. The majority are hatched and in the brooder, but I still have several cheeping and pipping. I have several that have pipped on the wrong side of the egg. It's more of in the middle or towards the point of the egg.
1. What causes this? I assume that egg didn't get turned well enough (even though I have a turner)
2. I have on specific egg like this that I assumed the chick was dead in the egg since its been several days since it pipped. (not sure how many, but at least 48 hours). I removed a dead chick from the incubator today, and several eggs that I knew were dead. I grabbed this egg and the chick is still chirping. I have helped several that have been partially stuck before (I know it's a big no no but I have had good luck in doing so). What are the odds he would survive removal and not be incredibly deformed? I know he's had air long enough for the egg to be dried and like cement. I have a hard time letting nature take it's course when I can help...even if he's headed to the dinner table anyway.

 

[2ndTink]

@TwoCrows has hatched a lot of quail and can likely help.

 

[Debbie292d]

Two fold question...
Day 25 in the incubator for my bobwhites. The majority are hatched and in the brooder, but I still have several cheeping and pipping. I have several that have pipped on the wrong side of the egg. It's more of in the middle or towards the point of the egg.
1. What causes this? I assume that egg didn't get turned well enough (even though I have a turner)
2. I have on specific egg like this that I assumed the chick was dead in the egg since its been several days since it pipped. (not sure how many, but at least 48 hours). I removed a dead chick from the incubator today, and several eggs that I knew were dead. I grabbed this egg and the chick is still chirping. I have helped several that have been partially stuck before (I know it's a big no no but I have had good luck in doing so). What are the odds he would survive removal and not be incredibly deformed? I know he's had air long enough for the egg to be dried and like cement. I have a hard time letting nature take it's course when I can help...even if he's headed to the dinner table anyway.

I'll tag a few that could probably help: @TwoCrows @Nabiki @007Sean

 

[StoneyAcreFarm]

I'll tag a few that could probably help: @TwoCrows @Nabiki @007Sean

Thanks!!

 

[TwoCrows]

Pipping at the wrong end I have found is usually due to egg shapes and sizes. If the egg was on the small size, the chick was unable to flip and get into the hatching position. (They face the pointy end until just before lock down.) If the egg was oddly shaped as in long and narrow the same thing happens, chicks can't flip. If your eggs were improperly turned or didn't have a slight tilt toward the large end of the egg, the chick can get confused. In the future, make sure to only set well formed eggs, turn eggs several or more times a day and set the eggs so the large end is slightly higher than the pointy end so the chicks know which end is up. Let eggs rest before setting too, you want some sort of air cell growth before setting. Don't use high humidity either, 45 to 50% during the first part if the cycle will dry out the liquid enough to develop a nice air cell.

This said, those that hatch from the wrong end can live completely normal lives after hatching, however they will need assistance to hatch from you, its difficult for them to zip from the pointy end. If he has made an external hole, 24 hours later you need to start picking away at the shell, very slowly, 1 piece at a time, wait, another piece.... If you see blood, stop and wait an hour and try again.