Red Shouldered Yokohama and Silver Spangled Spitzhauben together?

[country-freedom]

Anyone have any pics of these two breeds crossed together?

 

[Rose the Legbar]

@NatJ !

 

[Amer]

I have heard that the white in Yokohamas might not be dominant white and might actually be something else but I'm going to just say it is dominant white for the time being.
The offspring would basically be a messy red shoulder coloration.

 

[Amer]

The combs would be an intermediate of the breeds.

 

[NatJ]

@NatJ !

Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures. And I can't make many useful predictions either.

Anyone have any pics of these two breeds crossed together?

I would expect chicks to have a crest.

I can't say what the comb will look like-- I have trouble finding information about v-comb crossed with other types, especially with rose + pea which is the combination of genes that makes the cushion comb on a Yokohama.

Depending on which one is the father, the chicks might show more red/gold color (Yokohama father) vs. silver color (more if the Spitzhauben is the father.) Either way, the sons will probably show a fair bit of red in their shoulders.

I have heard that the white in Yokohamas might not be dominant white and might actually be something else

I've read that too, so if the cross does happen, I'd love to see pictures of how the offspring look!

I would expect a fair bit of white in the coloring (Silver gene from Spitzhauben plus whatever is causing the white of the Yokohama), but I don't know for sure.

 

[Amer]

Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures. And I can't make many useful predictions either.


I would expect chicks to have a crest.

I can't say what the comb will look like-- I have trouble finding information about v-comb crossed with other types, especially with rose + pea which is the combination of genes that makes the cushion comb on a Yokohama.

Depending on which one is the father, the chicks might show more red/gold color (Yokohama father) vs. silver color (more if the Spitzhauben is the father.) Either way, the sons will probably show a fair bit of red in their shoulders.


I've read that too, so if the cross does happen, I'd love to see pictures of how the offspring look!

I would expect a fair bit of white in the coloring (Silver gene from Spitzhauben plus whatever is causing the white of the Yokohama), but I don't know for sure.

Actually, Yokohamas are silver based, so no leakage, and it doesn't matter which is the father.

 

[NatJ]

Actually, Yokohamas are silver based, so no leakage, and it doesn't matter which is the father.

I had thought I read that they were gold. Oh, probably here:
https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Phoen/ReederRedShGenetics.html
But that says that some are gold, some silver, and some mixed, so I was not remembering it properly. If OP's Yokohamas are silver, I agree that it doesn't matter which breed is the father.

As for whether there is leakage-- if the Yokohamas are silver, wouldn't the red shoulders be "leakage" according to the way we usually use the word? I would expect that to show up in their chicks as well, no matter what genetics are actually causing that red.

 

[Amer]

I had thought I read that they were gold. Oh, probably here:
https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Phoen/ReederRedShGenetics.html
But that says that some are gold, some silver, and some mixed, so I was not remembering it properly. If OP's Yokohamas are silver, I agree that it doesn't matter which breed is the father.

As for whether there is leakage-- if the Yokohamas are silver, wouldn't the red shoulders be "leakage" according to the way we usually use the word? I would expect that to show up in their chicks as well, no matter what genetics are actually causing that red.

Any bird with the mahogany gene has red, regardless of if they have the silver gene, which is why I said the offspring would be red shoulder.

 

[Amer]

Oh I read the article, so they have gold as well. I am guessing it is the white which dilutes the gold rather than Dilute because wouldn't Dilute dilute the red as well?

 

[NatJ]

Any bird with the mahogany gene has red, regardless of if they have the silver gene, which is why I said the offspring would be red shoulder.

Ah, that makes sense.