Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

I already knew roughly where a tribe was likely to be at a given time of day and a crow from the senior rooster in the tribe who usually had the hens with him reasonably easy to identify.
It took 3 years for my brain to click that I know each rooster's crow. Mostly by syllables and tempo.

Overlaying human language made it stick:

Stilton says, "Stilton is a roost-ahh," Merle says, "And so is Mer-rell," and Andre says, "Also Ahhhn-dre," or, "What the hay-uhhll."

Then I could begin noticing changes in pitch and tempo that indicate variables like temperature or time of day (e.g., Stilton's crow is a higher pitch in the morning and lower in the afternoon) and whether they're responding to hens laying eggs or being startled out of a nap by wildlife.

Stilton also has a crow for when I have the audacity to be on the cellphone. All my loved ones have had to endure a few loud crows through the phone over the years.
 
Thanks for linking that paper; very handy to have here.

All fieldwork is difficult and most of the complaints you make apply to both papers of course. Lots of gaps, assumptions, uncertainties. But better than nothing, or 'results' from artificial and manufactured set ups imo. I don't think there's anything to be gained from further nit-picking over terms.

However, I do have to register some disquiet I feel over the Collias' reliance on crowing as identifier and locator. I have lived with all my roos for their entire lives, and while their voices are different, only a couple of them are sufficiently distinct to my ear for me to be able to say with confidence that a given crow was X's. Lulea's is very croaky, Merioneth's is deep (like Glais'), and Hensol's is very squeeky; I know Fforest's but I don't have the words to say how I recognize his crow as his. But if I was behind a screen I couldn't distinguish Killay's from Gwynedd's or Tintern's or Nefyn's or Wig's or Talgarth's. And I hear these every day, and can see the birds a lot of the time.

The Collias' fieldwork methodology starts with "We located jungle fowl by cruising the roads and especially by listening for the dawn crowing. Counts of crowing made throughout the day enabled us to trace the movements of the birds to some degree, as well as to gain some idea of differences in local abundance." Reliance on this method was very heavy. "During the last month of the study we obtained a collecting and banding permit, and managed to net and color-band a dozen jungle fowl. But these birds were not seen again." There were other pitfalls. "We often found it difficult to locate birds and roosts by the dawn crowing because the birds shifted to another roosting spot after we had discovered and disturbed them." So the findings are based on "we located and mapped with aid of a compass all the nearby roosts from the roof of the Dholkhand Forest Rest House by the sound of crowing only, and we did not attempt to approach directly any of these roosts until the last month of the study." And the sample is tiny: "There were four of these nearby roosts, and their distribution as determined by compass triangulation from the forest rest house (dak bungalow) is shown in figure 2. The composition of the four flocks during May or early June in terms of adult males and females, including subgrouping within each, was as follows: NE Flock, IM + lF, 1M; East Flock, 1M + 2 F; South Flock, 1M + 3F, 4M; and SW Flock, 1M + 3F, 3M." So that's 2 flocks of 3, 1 flock of 8 (5 males and 3 females in it btw), and 1 of 7 (4 males and 3 females). By subgroups they seem to mean subordinate adult males in the flock.

Crucial assumptions here: "Since subordinate cocks normally crow much less than does the dominant cock of a flock, most of the crowings recorded are believed to have come from a single bird. Furthermore, subordinate cocks during the breeding season are usually kept at some distance from the hen by the dominant cock. Therefore, if more than one cock in the flock had usually been crowing, the sounds often would have seemed to come from different directions." How far apart is a different direction? "Movements of a flock were determined by estimating the direction and location of a crowing male from a machan in which the observer was hidden. The exact time and approximate location of crowings were then plotted on a map." Hmmm.

Crowing as proxy for identity and location apart, I'm not sure why we are obsessing over flock size when the gender balance of these flocks is what stands out as so at variance with what is considered a normal flock on BYC, to wit 1 male and multiple females. For those interested, Table 1 on p. 365 gives the numbers, with the sex ratios each month April to June as 23:33, 51:25, and 23:32 (total: 102M : 90F).

Also interesting to read that the wing drop was performed after mating: "Perhaps as a result of the extreme wariness of the birds, only two copulations of jungle fowl were seen, one on 14 April at 18:00 as mentioned above, the other on 15 April at about noon (12: 10). In each case there was very little preliminary action apparent, although the hen crouched just before the male mounted. Copulation closely resembled the pattern seen among domestic chickens and took only a moment or two. On dismounting, the jungle cock circled the hen about one-fourth of the way while facing her and at the same time half dropping the outer wing, i.e., the one on the side opposite the hen, in an incipient wing-flutter. The hen meanwhile shook herself just as a domestic hen does after copulation. In the second observed copulation, it was noted that shortly after mating, the cock began to scratch about in the leaf litter and feed for the first time in over 10 minutes, and soon after copulation the hen resumed scratching."

Finally, and also relevant to recent discussions: "We have seen partly grown chicks “play fighting” in the manner familiar in domestic chicks. We have no idea how long Red Jungle Fowl chicks stay with the mother in nature. In captivity the period of association with the mother is at least three months, by which time all the down has disappeared from the body except on the chin and upper throat." Go Paprika!
Thanks for the review.

I thought it was fun they made observations on elephant back. And interesting how they contrasted behavior in different environments, like Bam Rao vs. the San Diego Zoo.

Also went looking to see if the short film they made was readily available online, to no avail. Wonder if it's ever been digitized or just lives on film somewhere in a university archive.
 
It took 3 years for my brain to click that I know each rooster's crow. Mostly by syllables and tempo.

Overlaying human language made it stick:

Stilton says, "Stilton is a roost-ahh," Merle says, "And so is Mer-rell," and Andre says, "Also Ahhhn-dre," or, "What the hay-uhhll."

Then I could begin noticing changes in pitch and tempo that indicate variables like temperature or time of day (e.g., Stilton's crow is a higher pitch in the morning and lower in the afternoon) and whether they're responding to hens laying eggs or being startled out of a nap by wildlife.

Stilton also has a crow for when I have the audacity to be on the cellphone. All my loved ones have had to endure a few loud crows through the phone over the years.
I don't have roosters, but I can recognize my hens' (today is Hen Day for the three older ones!!! 😍 ) and pullets' voices. The EEs can be tough, because they're generally quiet and squeaky, but I can and do imitate the other three and we have nice convos (about what, I don't know.) They recognize the sound of my car and we greet each other through the wooden fence when I get home.

I have no doubt that my neighbors think I'm nuts.
 
one and a half hours today. Mainly dry in the afternoon. Rain moved in as I went home.
The pop door was shut again when I got there, I really don't know what happened this time. The batteries in the controller unit were at replacement level according to the unit yet they were new a few weeks ago. No broken string, nothing wedged in the door channels to prevent the door opening. Was the rat trying to chew the door when it started to open and got trapped or wouldn't stop chewing.:confused:
The damage isn't much fortunately and I had spare batteries and once the new batteries were installed and a the settings adjusted the door operated as normal. I've fixed an aluminium vent guard on the front of the door. I forgot to take a picture and maybe that will do until I get the 2mm thick alumimium door cut along with the runner guards.

Being in the coop given their recent level of inactivity isn't likely to be very stressful for them although they want to come out when I get there. They want to drink first usually and this means I should look for a larger water bowl for inside the coop just in case. They've got more than 4sq feet per bird in there.:p

I'll be going to the field before mid day tomorrow just in case my defenses prove inadequate and Psycho Chew A Coop has done more damage that prevents the door opening.:rolleyes:
It's been one of those days.

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They came out to drink and eat, foraged a bit in the extended run. Glais went off for a dust bath with Sylph close behind leaving me and Mow enjoying the milder weather.

I took this picture of a flock of jackdaws.:duc
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Despite having had this chap and his mates try to raid the chicken feed on a daily basis for over a year I can only identify two with any certainty.

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Looks like Glais is filling out. He is certainly handsome.
 
I don't have roosters, but I can recognize my hens' (today is Hen Day for the three older ones!!! 😍 ) and pullets' voices. The EEs can be tough, because they're generally quiet and squeaky, but I can and do imitate the other three and we have nice convos (about what, I don't know.) They recognize the sound of my car and we greet each other through the wooden fence when I get home.

I have no doubt that my neighbors think I'm nuts.
Mt OEGBs are finally voicing instead of just doing pip-pip. I'm not ready to describe it, but it's very different from Sussex chatter or Dominique nasal queries. I respond to both of those, but the Sussex will continue the conversation after I reply. Especially Joanna.
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Pre-molt Joanna
 
Does the paper elsewhere note the approximate ages of the birds being counted? In other words, were some young chicks, barely able to be sexed, and some younger pullets and cockerels? If so, perhaps the two larger groups with multiple males included males not yet breeding, and so forth.
I believe they state those are adult subordinate males, not chicks. Table 3 identifies subadults thus
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so you can see the numbers are small, not more than the number of dominant males. If you want to read the paper it is here
https://www.researchgate.net/public...wl_Gallus_gallus_in_Dudwa_National_Park_India
 
It took 3 years for my brain to click that I know each rooster's crow. Mostly by syllables and tempo.

Overlaying human language made it stick:

Stilton says, "Stilton is a roost-ahh," Merle says, "And so is Mer-rell," and Andre says, "Also Ahhhn-dre," or, "What the hay-uhhll."

Then I could begin noticing changes in pitch and tempo that indicate variables like temperature or time of day (e.g., Stilton's crow is a higher pitch in the morning and lower in the afternoon) and whether they're responding to hens laying eggs or being startled out of a nap by wildlife.

Stilton also has a crow for when I have the audacity to be on the cellphone. All my loved ones have had to endure a few loud crows through the phone over the years.
I thought I knew them when I had fewer of them. It's tough with 11.
 
All 5 of mine have fairly distinct crows. Riddick is rough and gravelly, fitting for his heavy-metal look. Cowspots hollers. Louis is high pitched and very enthusiastic, he is the newest one to crow. Dutch kind of hoots, and Blackberry has a 4-5 syllable stutter in the middle.
Some of my hens are distinct too, especially Navy and her whinging, and Delft scraws and mutters.
 
And interesting how they contrasted behavior in different environments, like Bam Rao vs. the San Diego Zoo.
yes; they had studied them before they did the fieldwork here reported and I did wonder the extent to which it might have influenced their interpretations of what they heard/saw in the wild, but nothing jumped out at me as potential candidates.
 
All 5 of mine have fairly distinct crows. Riddick is rough and gravelly, fitting for his heavy-metal look. Cowspots hollers. Louis is high pitched and very enthusiastic, he is the newest one to crow. Dutch kind of hoots, and Blackberry has a 4-5 syllable stutter in the middle.
Some of my hens are distinct too, especially Navy and her whinging, and Delft scraws and mutters.
Lovely Tessa, the Speckled Sussex, has a voice that sounds like someone who has gone through a violent 24 hours of norovirus and has now progressed to dry heaves.

Quite a contrast with her appearance! -and tough to imitate.
 

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