Similarities between cleats and clamps (storing method) questions.

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So... this is really interesting to think about. But it poses some questions. I was hoping to get some feedback on this.

So first, I noticed there were similarities between cleats and clamps in storing food outside. Particularly Ireland, they used to store potatoes in 'clamps'. It was basically a type of earth mound where they put it all in there with hay and dirt over the top. And covered them to store them through the cold weather, winter. To preserve them. Then they'd go out and get them when needed, etc. Supposedly they worked pretty well.

And this is a factor because right now when you try to get potatoes from the store the plastic bags basically compact and compress the moisture around them which makes them sweat and rot. They start rotting sometimes even before you get them home from the store. So it would be a good idea for people to do clamps again. Or cellars.

Anyway... I recently stumbled on the idea of cleats also as a food storage method. And that they worked. And it was a ghaelic culture thing in northern scotland, in the islands. I also noticed there's similarities between the word, cleat, and clamp. Makes you wonder?

Anyway, the idea with a clamp was, these outer islands in Scotland, the outer Hebrides' islands they would call it a cleat. But it was slightly different, but similar. The cleat would be a hollow cave like small structure made out of stacked rocks, and with a roof over the top. But it wasn't very big. Not big enough for people to be in, but they'd store dried meat in there, like sea birds that they'd hunted. And this was to preserve the meat in a sort of hollow rock mound. The cleats weren't open at the top, but covered with rock stuff. Moisture wasn't allowed in. You'd access it from the side. (A lot of information about these was rediscovered through sites like St. Kilda island).

So... in comparing the 2 my question is, would it work better to have a roof over the top of the potato clamp storing mounds, like how the cleats are roofed over? When we have winters here there's snow and ice. So it seems like it could have problems if you put the clamp for potatoes open on the top, no?

(Also; in the above cleat example, they didn't have roaming dogs. It wouldn't have worked to do that method with storing meat with dogs running around.)

What do you think? Thanks.
 
In Ireland they usually get just a dusting in the lowlands (if they do even get snow that year) where is in Scotland they can get up to 60”s of snow per year. With the Clamp the opening is crucial to vent heat especially since you have all of that straw (tinder box in the making without it). So yes, I would agree the Cleit would be the better option since you get snow. However, if you do go with a Cleit, the stone walls rock placement is absolutely crucial. Part of the food preservation method is allowing the wind to pass through. When it is windy the walls of the Cleit should “whistle” so you know that it is built correctly. Shape wise it should look like an upside down ship’s hull. The roof should be watertight with not just rock slab, but sod on top of the slab. Another thing to note is that Cleits actually did have a door of sorts. The smaller cleits simply had rocks piled in front of the opening, but the larger ones often had a wooden slab that would cover the entrance. A fun fact, Scotland did have wild wolves back when Cleits were used. Wolves in Scotland were hunted to extinction in the late 1600’s however, the earliest use of Cleits dates back to the 6th century.
 
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In Ireland they usually get just a dusting in the lowlands (if they do even get snow that year) where is in Scotland they can get up to 60”s of snow per year. With the Clamp the opening is crucial to vent heat especially since you have all of that straw (tinder box in the making without it). So yes, I would agree the Cleit would be the better option since you get snow. However, if you do go with a Cleit, the stone walls rock placement is absolutely crucial. Part of the food preservation method is allowing the wind to pass through. When it is windy the walls of the Cleit should “whistle” so you know that it is built correctly. Shape wise it should look like an upside down ship’s hull. The roof should be watertight with not just rock slab, but sod on top of the slab. Another thing to note is that Cleits actually did have a door of sorts. The smaller cleits simply had rocks piled in front of the opening, but the larger ones often had a wooden slab that would cover the entrance. A fun fact, Scotland did have wild wolves back when Cleits were used. Wolves in Scotland were hunted to extinction in the late 1600’s however, the earliest use of Cleits dates back to the 6th century.
Wow. Your information is very good and thorough. Thank you!
 
Also a side question opened up; I'm better at growing pumpkins and melons than potatoes. Which is very ironic because melons are the hardest to grow of anything. But our soil isn't good for potatoes; glues them in and they can't expand.

Question; I'm curious to ask if anyone has tried cleats or clamps storage methods with pumpkins and melons? And if it would work? Thanks.
 

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