Starting over after Mareks -

omi4500

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Mar 3, 2014
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Hi, all. Get your coffee ready...sorry for long post. ☕
I've been a small flock backyard chicken keeper and member here for 10 years. Have always appreciated being able to use this site and your collective experiences/advice as my first go-to resource! It's been a doozy of a year. :( A year ago last summer, a pack of coyotes came into my suburban yard one am and took all 4 of my hens while they were foraging freely (3-8 yrs old). We found two of them left injured in my neighbor's yard, and only one of them survived her injuries and is still here today (healthy & still laying every other day). When she was fully healed after the attack, I purchased 4 6-week old pullets from a local farm last summer and my adult hen did a great job of welcoming them. The youngsters (one turned ended up a roo) had just laying when trouble started 6 months ago - my lil roo appeared to die in his sleep. In Feb, one of the young hens then went downhill...appeared respiratory and she died despite my efforts to save her. Then in March, a 3rd went down with slightly diff symptoms - I worried that she was egg bound. I treated her with baths and TLC, and she made a rebound and returned to the flock. Then 4th went down with what first appeared to be an impacted crop. Treated her with advice I found here for using massage/coconut oil. Her crop did clear and she was eating normally again. Returned her to the coop a few days later only to find her dead the next morning. And then sadly the 3rd hen started acting lethargic/stopped eating. I was so heartsick & frustrated by this point, so I took her to my local vet for chickens. He suspected Mareks. I had her euthanized & drove her to the state food lab for necropsy. 100% confirmed Mareks and lab vet said it should be assumed that my other three likely died of Mareks (all about 7-8 mo+/- when died). Mareks was not on my radar and the local farm I got them from did not vaccinate. My adult now 4 year old hen never showed symptoms and is still thriving. I called the feedstore I bought her from & they confirmed they only get chicks from a hatchery that vaccinates for Mareks. So after a month or so, I purchased some 1 day old and 1 week old Mareks-vax'd chicks from the same orig feedstore. They have been in my garage in a brooder for the last 6 weeks (making the chicks 6 and 7 weeks old now). We have tried very hard to be good about washing hands and changing shoes and dirty clothes if we have been out to the main coop where my adult hen is and before going into the garage. I just read an article here at BYC yesterday though that has me worried since I guess the virus could even be on my hair, and I did not wash my hair going between outside coop and garage. :(

I fully acknowledge that my surviving 4 yr old hen, despite having no symptoms, was exposed to Mareks at the same time my pullets were (or was exposed by them if they came with the virus at 6 weeks of age?), making my adult hen a carrier now. I have spent the last couple days trying to shovel out as much of the existing bedding in the hen house/PDZ and coop/shavings and enclosed daytime run/dirt - (after the coyote attack, we built a large fully enclosed run extension the hens have access to during the daytime vs free roam of yard). I know I can never fully get rid of the virus at this point, but I am trying to do my best to greatly reduce the viral load outside before I graduate my chicks to the coop with my adult.

**Curious your thoughts about the next steps I plan to take: I am going to wash and scrub every coop surface I can physically get to with a solution of bleach and dishsoap in water. Then I am going to spray down every possible part of the coop inside and out (including waters/feeders) with Virkon-S, which came via Amazon yesterday. I purchased barn lime today and will put down a layer of that in hen house, coop, and run... then replace the bedding areas with new PDZ, shavings, etc. Any other suggestions? I really want to give my vaccinated chicks a fighting chance out there! Thank for any insight.
 
I am so sorry!

I can't see where Virkon-S kills Herpes virus 2 (Gallid alphaherpesvirus 2) (GaHV-2) - Marek's.

Please read my article: https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/sterilizing-hatching-eggs-from-mareks-mdv.79104/
Hi and thank you so much for your compassion! I’ll gladly read your article & am an open sponge to learn as much as I can from you and others!

This is a screen shot directly from a Virkon S published list of poultry viruses it’s supposed to be effective against. I had read here at BYC that it’s recommended and I found this list when I did deeper research on it. Of course, I had to wade though all the swine viruses first on another Virkon flyer before I realized I was on the wrong animal list. 🙃
 

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with Mareks. I'm learning as I'm going, my first symptomatic bird was October / November last year. I hatched out chicks this year and vaccinated everyone. My oldest group is now around 17 weeks old, I did my best to always have clean clothes and shoes, if I was around my older birds I'd shower before taking care of the chicks. I kept them in my basement, moved them outside at about 8 or 9 weeks old. My youngest group is about 8 weeks old now, everyone is outside in coops, and so far so good.

I know we can't eradicate the Mareks virus, but doing a deep clean sure isn't going to hurt. I hosed out my coop, used Odoban, let it dry, left it empty for a few weeks, and tilled the run. Perfect, no, but it was better in my mind than doing nonothing.it sound slide you are doing all the right things.

If you are on Facebook there is a Mareks and ALV support group that has quite a few active members who have positive flocks and are good at giving advice.
 
I'm so sorry you're dealing with Mareks. I'm learning as I'm going, my first symptomatic bird was October / November last year. I hatched out chicks this year and vaccinated everyone. My oldest group is now around 17 weeks old, I did my best to always have clean clothes and shoes, if I was around my older birds I'd shower before taking care of the chicks. I kept them in my basement, moved them outside at about 8 or 9 weeks old. My youngest group is about 8 weeks old now, everyone is outside in coops, and so far so good.

I know we can't eradicate the Mareks virus, but doing a deep clean sure isn't going to hurt. I hosed out my coop, used Odoban, let it dry, left it empty for a few weeks, and tilled the run. Perfect, no, but it was better in my mind than doing nonothing.it sound slide you are doing all the right things.

If you are on Facebook there is a Mareks and ALV support group that has quite a few active members who have positive flocks and are good at giving advice.
Good morning and thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry as well that you've been through the wringer with Mareks too. I am now "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" not showering between coop and being around my chicks. Sigh...flying on a wing and a prayer and vaccinations here!! I wish I could do more, but I only have my one coop, which the solo adult hen has been in. While I will try to clean it to the best of my ability, I don't have the option to leave it empty. But like you, I am hoping that what I am doing cant hurt and is better than doing nothing. I will try to find the FB groups you mentioned. Thank you! I forgot to mention that the other thing I did was take a fresh fecal sample from my adult hen to my local vet. Should get results today. Her droppings look normal but I want to rule out any possible parasites before I move the chicks in with her, to hopefully reduce stress on their bodies as they begin living as part of the Mareks positive coop.
 
Good morning and thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry as well that you've been through the wringer with Mareks too. I am now "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" not showering between coop and being around my chicks. Sigh...flying on a wing and a prayer and vaccinations here!! I wish I could do more, but I only have my one coop, which the solo adult hen has been in. While I will try to clean it to the best of my ability, I don't have the option to leave it empty. But like you, I am hoping that what I am doing cant hurt and is better than doing nothing. I will try to find the FB groups you mentioned. Thank you! I forgot to mention that the other thing I did was take a fresh fecal sample from my adult hen to my local vet. Should get results today. Her droppings look normal but I want to rule out any possible parasites before I move the chicks in with her, to hopefully reduce stress on their bodies as they begin living as part of the Mareks positive coop.
Keeping the chicks healthy (good feed, low stress, probiotics etc) will help them have as much capacity as possible to fight Mareks if they need to. I haven't found super black and white information on transmission, the typical length of time the virus is viable on a surface or in the soil. They usually say "can survive up to..." but is that they can still find one lonely little virus? Or are they still finding viral loads high enough to infect a chicken? I read one spot where it said you could breath in the virus (say the feed store or something) go home and breathe on your chickens and viola, they are infected. Does this happen or is this a "could happen"?

I'm flying on the same faith here, I know the vaccine I can get isn't as effective as the vaccine type big hatcheries can get. That FB site has a list of hatcheries with which ones offer vaccination and which serotype they use. I hatched my own, but if I ever order chicks I will be using that list to find the hatchery closest to me with the most effective vaccine!

RAL does PCR testing for Mareks, $20 per bird but if you wanted, you could test a few this fall just to know.
 
Keeping the chicks healthy (good feed, low stress, probiotics etc) will help them have as much capacity as possible to fight Mareks if they need to. I haven't found super black and white information on transmission, the typical length of time the virus is viable on a surface or in the soil. They usually say "can survive up to..." but is that they can still find one lonely little virus? Or are they still finding viral loads high enough to infect a chicken? I read one spot where it said you could breath in the virus (say the feed store or something) go home and breathe on your chickens and viola, they are infected. Does this happen or is this a "could happen"?

I'm flying on the same faith here, I know the vaccine I can get isn't as effective as the vaccine type big hatcheries can get. That FB site has a list of hatcheries with which ones offer vaccination and which serotype they use. I hatched my own, but if I ever order chicks I will be using that list to find the hatchery closest to me with the most effective vaccine!

RAL does PCR testing for Mareks, $20 per bird but if you wanted, you could test a few this fall just to know.
I meant to respond yesterday and got distracted since I was outside in the middle of more coop cleaning. I know I'll never eradicate all of the virus out there, but I will say that my coop itself is now probably the cleanest it's been since we first had it built 10 years ago! I used the virkon s yesterday on every surface I could physically get to. I sprayed the remaining bedding and ground inside the coop for good measure, swept out as much of the pdz from the hen house as possible and sprayed all in there top to bottom, and also sprayed everything I could inside their day run enclosure. I had a number of large tree stumps in my coop and run for sitting perches. I removed the ones I could and told husb to take them to our firewood pile, and I sprayed the ones that were left. And last night, I hand washed all the feeders and waterers with hot soapy water, then sprayed them with virkon, then rinsed them well with water after about an hour. I may not have fingernails now but everything is pretty clean and disinfected.

I am so nervous but I think I am going to move the chicks to the coop today or tomorrow. I did find and join a Mareks FB group. The recommendation there is to keep vax'd chicks sep from M+ flock for 6 weeks, which I have done. Based on their age at purchase, this makes my chicks 6-7 weeks post vax.

Thank you for the info on RAL - that is a great resource to take advantage of!

Final question - in terms of probiotics, are you talking about something like offering yogurt or fermented foods, or more along the lines of a commercial supplement?
 

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