Valbazen dosage for different sized chickens?

[katelk]

Ok after a lot of reading using 1cc of Valbazen in 8cc of water and giving 2cc of the mix is for standard birds.

I have Orpingtons, including 2 big Roos, as well as a couple smaller silkie mixes.

Is this same dosing used for ALL sizes?

 

[dawg53]

Ok after a lot of reading using 1cc of Valbazen in 8cc of water and giving 2cc of the mix is for standard birds.

I have Orpingtons, including 2 big Roos, as well as a couple smaller silkie mixes.

Is this same dosing used for ALL sizes?

There's nothing wrong with 1cc Valbazen in 8cc water given orally. Some folks claim it's better gut coverage. The problem is that it's more risky in causing a bird to aspirate. It's easier to dose 1/2cc orally undiluted to standard size birds, 1/4cc orally undiluted for smaller birds. You can give your big roos 3/4cc or 1cc orally undiluted if you wish. Whatever dosage you use, redose again in 10 days. Valbazen is very safe and kills all known types of worms chickens can get.

 

[katelk]

There's nothing wrong with 1cc Valbazen in 8cc water given orally. Some folks claim it's better gut coverage. The problem is that it's more risky in causing a bird to aspirate. It's easier to dose 1/2cc orally undiluted to standard size birds, 1/4cc orally undiluted for smaller birds. You can give your big roos 3/4cc or 1cc orally undiluted if you wish. Whatever dosage you use, redose again in 10 days. Valbazen is very safe and kills all known types of worms chickens can get.

Thank you!!

I recently had a pullet die- not from worms, but the necropsy turned up a good amount of tapeworms.
I was advised earlier by someone on here to use a product called "fish tapes" - pills with 34mg Praziquantel- to kill the tapeworms first. For a 34mg pill give 1/2 pill to small birds and 1 pill to larger birds.

I was then going to use the Valbazen to start a 2x per year deworming.

I have NEVER dewormed my chickens before.

Can you tell me your thoughts? I have noticed you are quite the BYC authority on deworming

 

[casportpony]

@dawg53 , in another thread I suggested 0.08ml per pound. Most of the birds being treated are orpingtons, which quite a bit larger than the average hen, so her big rooster would get 0.8ml, her large hens would get 0.64ml and her small ones would get 0.56ml. If they were mine I'd round up to 0.7ml and 0.6ml with the hens

 

[casportpony]

Ok after a lot of reading using 1cc of Valbazen in 8cc of water and giving 2cc of the mix is for standard birds.

I have Orpingtons, including 2 big Roos, as well as a couple smaller silkie mixes.

Is this same dosing used for ALL sizes?

A vet said that one would get better coverage doing something *like* this, but that amount of water with that amount of medication is unlikely to work very well. The goal is to get 9.1 mg per pound in each bird. And less and you may not kill a large enough percentage of worms.

 

[dawg53]

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Well, tapeworms ARE worms...all worms including tapeworms are parasites and feed off nutrients meant for chickens.
Praziquantel would be a good choice to kill tapeworms. I've never used "fish tapes" and I dont know the dosage. However I've used Zimectrin Gold equine paste wormer which contains ivermectin and praziquantel. Zimectrin Gold is found in the horse section in most feed stores. Dosage is a regular "pea" size amount given orally to each chicken. A small "pea" size amount given to smaller chickens. You can put it on a piece of bread and give a piece of the treated bread to each chicken individually. Then repeat dosing again in 10 days.
Valbazen will kill tapeworms but it'll require withholding feed from your chickens for 24 hours, higher dosages, and redosing every 4th day in three sets of dosing, including withholding feed again for 24 hours in each of the three sets of wormings.
Tapeworms are difficult to get rid of, I've dealt with them.
Once you clear your birds free from tapeworms, I recommend dosing your birds with valbazen at least every three months to keep them in check. Your soil is contaminated with tapeworm eggs and insects are the host for the eggs. Chickens eat the infected insects starting the tapeworms lifecycle all over again. Save what's left of the Zimectrin Gold for future worming against an active case of tapeworms.
You can see tapeworm segments in feces. Each segment contains hundreds of eggs. The segments work their way into /onto the soil where eggs are released and eaten by insects. Here's a pic of what tapeworm segments look like in feces:

 

[katelk]

@casportpony -

Thank you! I do recall you saying that about the dosing. My brain is getting information overload today. I have it straight with the Valbazen now.

Wondering if I can use the fish tapes pills first, then 10 days later do the follow up with Valbazen?

Maybe then they would be cleaned out and covered til spring?

 

[casportpony]

2 ml of Valbazen with 8ml of water makes 10ml with 227.2mg, so that 22.72 mg per ml.

For best coverage doing that one would do this math

• 10 pound bird divided by 2.2, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 4 ml needed
• 8 pound bird divided by 2.2, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 3.2 ml needed
• 1 pound bird divided by 2.2,, times 20, divided by 22.72 = 0.4 ml needed per pound

Much easier just to give it undiluted orally.

 

[dawg53]

@casportpony -

Thank you! I do recall you saying that about the dosing. My brain is getting information overload today. I have it straight with the Valbazen now.

Wondering if I can use the fish tapes pills first, then 10 days later do the follow up with Valbazen?

Maybe then they would be cleaned out and covered til spring?

I dont see any reason why you shouldnt use the fish tapes...praziquantel is praziquantel. Use the fish tapes again 10 days later instead of valbazen. Let us know how it works for your birds. You might even see tapeworms excreted in feces within an hour after dosing. They will be broken up in bits and pieces, flat and segmented or stringy looking like jellyfish tentacles.

 

[casportpony]

A 10 pound rooster needs about 30 mg of praziquantel, and I don't think a peasize amount of Zimectrin Gold will have that much.

Amount of paste needed for a ten pound rooster is no less than:
10 ÷ 2.2 x 6 ÷ 77.5 = 0.35ml of Zimectrin Gold