What are other options besides water belly?

JLS84780

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We just lost a hen to WB two months ago. She was older. Now we have the following:
1) What type of bird, age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.) - She's always been small and thin, laying giant eggs, But now is not quite 2 years old, Longhorn with a giant healthy looking comb
2) What is the behavior, exactly. - She's acting normal but hasn't laid an egg in over two weeks and she's always been very regular, our best layer. Has had poopy butt about that long as well. The last two days she's gone to the laying box without results. Her butt was dark pink after the bath, seems lighter this afternoon. When I grabbed her this morning I also felt a slight waterballoon feeling below the vent between her legs, which makes me fear another WB girl. Could it be something else, or is slight bouncy down there normal? She's currently walking normally as well.
3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms? - about two weeks no egg
4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?- no
5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma. - no
6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation. - WB or maybe ate something off or has internal parasites? No sign of mites.
7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.- seems normal. They have auto feeder 20% organic layer feed and then get kitchen scraps and some scratch in the afternoons. Occasionally give black sunflower seeds, yoghurt, sardines, cottage cheese, tofu. They have recycled crushed egg shells for calcium. They don't like electrolyte mixes. Neither one seems to be eating greens the last several months and they don't have grass to graze on in this desert. Her crop looks full. I'll have to check it in the morning when I can grab her again.
8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc. - I'd say close to runny diarrhea, sort of taupe colored oozed out as soon as she jumped out of her poopy butt bath this morning. Maybe some white.
9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far? - just the bath, ACV and raw garlic added to the water a few days ago.
10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet? - We have no vet closer than 2 hours, so that's not an option. My husband did a drainage maneuver on a previous WB hen to give her a bit more time, but she was a lot more "full" than what I felt this morning.
11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
12) Describe the housing/bedding in use - They have a secure 3 x 4' coop on legs, with a long ramp down to the ground. I use straw in the laying boxes and aspen sawdust and shavings (under the roost) from a friend who makes furniture. I'm using the deep litter method and there is no smell (to my good nose) that I detect. Their coop is really just for laying and roosting and they don't spend time in there stirring anything up. There are air vents at the roof and only the small auto door so good circulation, but not a dusty wind tunnel. it's very dry here and it seems I don't even smell when working outside! They have two water bowls and a wading container. In the low 90s the last two days and they are hanging out in the shade in the dirt we wet down. We do have an abundance of wild sparrows that visit often and poop in that area, as well as eat their leftover scratch. The little birds can't get into the layer feeder. I did dust the layer feed with diatomaceous earth about a week ago when I thought it might be parasites.
 
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I did dust the layer feed with diatomaceous earth about a week ago when I thought it might be parasites.
Sorry for your previous loss. That won't do anything for internal parasites, if suspected.. as stated on the package.. it does not work in wet conditions, such as the digestive system.

Another consideration *might* be internal laying, sometimes called EYP or egg yolk peritonitis.
 
Sorry for your previous loss. That won't do anything for internal parasites, if suspected.. as stated on the package.. it does not work in wet conditions, such as the digestive system.

Another consideration *might* be internal laying, sometimes called EYP or egg yolk peritonitis.
OK, thanks on the DE. I don't think it's really working on the nightly cock roaches either...

Would a hen survive 2 weeks and still be acting normal with EYP?
 
Would a hen survive 2 weeks and still be acting normal with EYP?
Easily.. it may take some time for symptoms like upright stance and waddling or infection to develop.. right now the only symptoms being the bright comb and going into the lay box without depositing eggs despite being a regular layer.. and that (EYP/internal laying) may not actually be what's going on.. just one possibility.

The slight bounce you feel on the abdomen *could* just be a little fat pad.

Hopefully she will continue to thrive and you will get more feed back and considerations! :fl
 
Update this morning, hen had egg on her face. Saw that she laid a rubber egg from the roost and had breakfast before I brought them theirs. She is not eating feed or drinking as before, but is scratching around some and otherwise looks strong and happy. She eventually ate some of the yoghurt I took laced with oregano oil, Vit C and Vit D. If anyone knows specific amounts of those I would appreciate it. She's very picky so the smell put her off for at least 20 minutes before she tried it. Didn't much like it but the two of them cleaned it up along with some carrot peels and papaya seeds. She didn't eat any broccoli flowers and leaves that she'd eaten a week or so ago. Waiting and praying. And I did the spring coop cleaning to get the rubber egg all out of there and start fresh. Added rosemary and thyme to the coop and the dust bath container they typically refuse to use, opting for the bare dirt.
 
For the soft or shell-less egg, I would give her a human calcium citrate tablet with vitamin D by pulling down on her wattles, placing the tablet in the beak, and then releasing the wattles to swallow it. Do that for the next 7 days to see if she lays a normal egg with a hard shell. I would stop all of the extras, herbs, etc, and give her some chicken feed. Moisten it for more interest and a few bits of scrambled egg would be good. Here is a good price on the calcium:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-C...MIhNW6-ZvYjAMVv0f_AR0aNhYyEAQYAiABEgIz5PD_BwE
 
For the soft or shell-less egg, I would give her a human calcium citrate tablet with vitamin D by pulling down on her wattles, placing the tablet in the beak, and then releasing the wattles to swallow it. Do that for the next 7 days to see if she lays a normal egg with a hard shell. I would stop all of the extras, herbs, etc, and give her some chicken feed. Moisten it for more interest and a few bits of scrambled egg would be good. Here is a good price on the calcium:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-C...MIhNW6-ZvYjAMVv0f_AR0aNhYyEAQYAiABEgIz5PD_BwE
Thank you so much for the advise. I have both calcium and Vit D at home so will get that to her as best I can. She's not easy to catch. If I can mix the supplements into her food it's a better deal all around, so I'll be scrambling some egg for lunch!
 
It is much easier to catch them and medicate them in the evening while on the roost when it is getting dark or before daylight. I use a red light on my head lamp while having every thing in hand. But since she needs to calcium now, I would hid it in a small portion of egg. Crush it into small pieces if possible. Cream cheese or peanut butter, or liverwurst are also good things in which to hide medicine, but egg is a good one that they like and is nutritious.
 
OK, thanks on the DE. I don't think it's really working on the nightly cock roaches either...

Would a hen survive 2 weeks and still be acting normal with EYP?
She sounds just like my hen, was laying, suddenly stopped, still going to the nest box. The vet confirmed by ultrasound that she was indeed laying internally. It's been almost 2 months since she laid an egg and she is acting fine. I hope it was that hen that laid the rubber egg and that now she's back to getting them outside of her body, but I would watch her carefully to be sure.
 
She sounds just like my hen, was laying, suddenly stopped, still going to the nest box. The vet confirmed by ultrasound that she was indeed laying internally. It's been almost 2 months since she laid an egg and she is acting fine. I hope it was that hen that laid the rubber egg and that now she's back to getting them outside of her body, but I would watch her carefully to be sure.
Thank you. Gosh I keep learning something new all the time. I used to think chicken keeping was easy! On the good side, she ate the egg and calcium suggested above and I saw her drinking water for the first time in a long time. She also visited the laying box this morning but nothing to show for it. I sure would like to know what brings these strange maladies about.
 

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