worms in 1 month old bantam chicks please help me save them (warning: pictures)

Hi again! gladly all looks active right now, I wanna share how it goes until now: The deworming day's afteernoon everyone there were still larvae and proglottids(?) in their poops, next day hen, rooster and one chick does not droppedd anymore, but two chicks kept dropping them, three days after deworming one chick kept dropping proglottids(?) and another chick dropped alive larvae so I gave the dewormer to both again, 2 days (today) after the 2nd deworming to chicks there is still proglottids(?') in one chick (I dont' know about the other because I can't catch him pooping), I dont know if they are alive or not, temperature is 10°C/50°F min and 15°C/19°F max.
Do you know if can be another kind of worm? I'm attaching the picture of today, the color of poop it worries me too, the chick does not poop like that all the time but its firts poops in the morning looked similar ultimately
 

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Hi again! gladly all looks active right now, I wanna share how it goes until now: The deworming day's afteernoon everyone there were still larvae and proglottids(?) in their poops, next day hen, rooster and one chick does not droppedd anymore, but two chicks kept dropping them, three days after deworming one chick kept dropping proglottids(?) and another chick dropped alive larvae so I gave the dewormer to both again, 2 days (today) after the 2nd deworming to chicks there is still proglottids(?') in one chick (I dont' know about the other because I can't catch him pooping), I dont know if they are alive or not, temperature is 10°C/50°F min and 15°C/19°F max.
Do you know if can be another kind of worm? I'm attaching the picture of today, the color of poop it worries me too, the chick does not poop like that all the time but its firts poops in the morning looked similar ultimately
I don't think it could be another kind of poultry worms, unless you have some species in Bolivia that are very specific.
Here is a good description of the various worms that affect poultry :
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/poultr...y#Pathogenesis-and-Clinical-Findings_v3341894

Tapeworms segments often come out progressively of the fecal matter. If you leave it for five to ten minutes and you see more of those things looking like moving rice grains, it sounds like tapeworms.

The poop looks like it has intestinal shedding with it. It's something that can happen once in a while in healthy chickens and more often when they have parasites. Nothing to panic about.

Personally, I would not do another dose right away. I think I would wait things out. But if you feel like you want to try another dose, you should do it in ten days.

Are the chicks all acting healthy and eating normally ?
 
I don't think it could be another kind of poultry worms, unless you have some species in Bolivia that are very specific.
Here is a good description of the various worms that affect poultry :
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/poultr...y#Pathogenesis-and-Clinical-Findings_v3341894

Tapeworms segments often come out progressively of the fecal matter. If you leave it for five to ten minutes and you see more of those things looking like moving rice grains, it sounds like tapeworms.
I've see them like 5 minutes and they does not move, I don't know if it's because the cold or if they are dead, I will stay watching longer next time. In some poops they look like sesame seeds, in another they look very spherical and sometimes a bit smaller, that's what confused me more.
The poop looks like it has intestinal shedding with it. It's something that can happen once in a while in healthy chickens and more often when they have parasites. Nothing to panic about.
I was thinking about that too, but it was my first time seeing that much, so I worried.
Personally, I would not do another dose right away. I think I would wait things out. But if you feel like you want to try another dose, you should do it in ten days.
Yeah, I think I'll wait, it's too much for a little chick if I keep dosing it, maybe I'll try after a month or so.
Are the chicks all acting healthy and eating normally ?
They are active, drink well, they are still learning to eat their food but they keep foraging and their crop looks good at night and empty in the morning, their poops looks solid, just this morning I see two watery poops but I don't know which one did it. There is just one chick (the one who ate part of the hen dose and before yesterday ate an apple seed) when they all rest in the day, it rests a little more and hide its head between its wings.
Thank you for keep helping me! I'll read the link and I'll try to find out which kind of dewormer people use for tapeworms in chicken, here in my country, maybe there are resistence or something like that.
 
Thank you for keep helping me! I'll read the link and I'll try to find out which kind of dewormer people use for tapeworms in chicken, here in my country, maybe there are resistence or something like that.
When I first encountered tapeworms I had success deworming with Flubendazole (a different azole than Fenbendazole), but the second and third time I used it, it did not work.
If you do a search on BYC you can see it was effective killing tapeworms for some chicken keepers and not for others.
If it works, it is the best choice in regard to the lesser damage for the environment and for the chicken's gut.

The most common dewormer for tapeworms in my country is niclosamide (ingredient name) but it is beginning to be ineffective due to resistance. I know neither flubendazole or niclosamide are sold in the US.

Alternatives for tapeworms are Albendazole, which has also encountered a lot of resistance, and Nitazoxanide, which is not allowed for veterinary use in my country.

Some BYC members treat for tapeworms very often. I chose to focus on trying to keep my chickens healthy even with the worms.

It doesn't apply for chicks, but there is also the matter of egg withdrawal. I am being on the cautious side and apply a one month withdrawal following my vet's recommendation for any substance that is theoretically forbidden for laying hens. Others don't do like this and follow shorter withdrawals, or even none.

If you chose to keep on trying to deworm, your best luck to find what dewormers are accessible is looking at products sold for ornament birds, such as pigeons and doves.
 
When I first encountered tapeworms I had success deworming with Flubendazole (a different azole than Fenbendazole), but the second and third time I used it, it did not work.
If you do a search on BYC you can see it was effective killing tapeworms for some chicken keepers and not for others.
If it works, it is the best choice in regard to the lesser damage for the environment and for the chicken's gut.
The most common dewormer for tapeworms in my country is niclosamide (ingredient name) but it is beginning to be ineffective due to resistance. I know neither flubendazole or niclosamide are sold in the US.
Alternatives for tapeworms are Albendazole, which has also encountered a lot of resistance, and Nitazoxanide, which is not allowed for veterinary use in my country.
I don't think there is flubendazole in my country, for human parasites exists albendazole in online drugstores, for dogs usually is ivermectin the most used I think, only one time I've seen albendazole been used an it was injection.
What I've found weird is why (it looks like) it works only in some of my chickens, or maybe it worked parcially or it didn't work well because the load of worms are huge, or because they are chicks or because I put it in the meat while to the others I give them part of the antiparasitic directly because they didn't ate the whole food with the antiparasitic, that doubt does not makes me sleep well.

Some BYC members treat for tapeworms very often. I chose to focus on trying to keep my chickens healthy even with the worms.
I don't want to worm my chickens very often. I've read that the host can get antibody defence, wich is better than worming. I'm just worried now because I see more than ten proglottids in a little chick's poop and only one in an adult and I feel bad, I think at least I need to lower the worms, because I fear the small backyard where the chicks forage along with plenty of wild birds leaving their poops everywhere will have thousand of cestodes' eggs in no time.
It doesn't apply for chicks, but there is also the matter of egg withdrawal. I am being on the cautious side and apply a one month withdrawal following my vet's recommendation for any substance that is theoretically forbidden for laying hens. Others don't do like this and follow shorter withdrawals, or even none.
Good to know, I can't remember what active ingredient needed like 70 days withdrawal, but I wonder if the same apply for eggs that want to be incubated, because that information are not disclosed.
If you chose to keep on trying to deworm, your best luck to find what dewormers are accessible is looking at products sold for ornament birds, such as pigeons and doves.
The first day I went to look for dewormers I went to a veterinary shop where they sell little parrots, and sometimes I've saw they have chicks to sell, and I felt lost when they offer me piperazine saying that it will kill all kind of parasites, they only show me the one with praziquantel when I ask them specifically something with that ingredient.
Fortunately, I've found a national lab that it has a product (pill) with an image of a dog, a cat and rooster, sadly I can't find the prospect in the web but it shows its ingredients: Tiabendazol 200 mg Mebendazol 100 mg Levamisol HCl 40 mg, now the thing is if there is that product in my city. There is no mebendazol in https://poultrydvm.com but I found it in this page https://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2514&Itemid=2787 however in the dose they are talking about 120ppm so I don't know how to calculate it, but I think I will need that information if I can get first that anthelmintic.
I need to share that I found two typeworms (I don't kow if they are complete) in one chick's poop too, one big one in thursday and a little one in friday, I'm glad I've saw them but, the proglottids keep appeared more and more.
 

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Hi again! I want to update that the chicks and the parents are alive, they eat and drink water, they forage in the yard all day taking naps sometimes, dead worms (I don't know if they are complete or just a part) kept dropping in their poops after second dose and some alive proglottids that I see less every day so I hope the worm is dying.
Thank you all for your help, your patience, your precious time, you've save me from sad moments, I hope you and your chickens are well. Blessings!
 
Hi everyone, I have 3 bantam chicks, they born 1 month ago, they were 4 but one of them died three days ago, and I discovered a heavy infestation of worms in her little intestines, now I know all of them have it (the parents and 3 chicks remaining) because I saw in their droppings eggs or larvae, I'm almost sure the worms are cestodes but sadly I live in a little town in Bolivia and sadly there are not many remedies for chickens, the worst is that when I went to vets just to buy dewormer I said it was for cestodes and some of them offer me piperazine 53%, ivermectin and levimasol and tell me it was for ALL types of worms, I was devastated because I read that none of them are efficient for cestodes, 3 of them offer me one that have Albendazol 1000mg, Pamoato de pirantel 1450mg, praziquantel 2000mg, and I've read that pirantel with praziquantel together can be toxic for chickens and the chicks, my head is a mess right now because I'm devastated for the lost chick and for the fear of losing all of them.
They mostly free range, but they have seeds to eat and since the third day the chicks born I give them 1 egg a day for all because they had a hard time trying to eat the seeds, seeds were crushed very little and not so little for the mom but chicks tried the one for the mom.
Information:
- Race: I dont know exactly, they told me kikiriki, that's what are named the little chickens here. People are not use to get bantams because usually they get chickens for eggs and meat.
- Temperature: min 11°C- max 26° with light rainy since they have born, but now is 20° max and it is mostly light rainy. (Autumn)
- Nest/Bed: Dust
- Food: Every insect they find, egg and mix of seeds. Sometimes fruits like fig, banana and papaya. There is a pile of compost where sometimes they go. Where I live there are not packed food where it says what is for and what it contains in little bags, the bags are 45kg and I cant buy those because is too much, so I buy in kg but I cant see what exactly they are giving me and if they make a mistake can give me the wrong feed, when I looked for starter feed they say to chicks people use to buy plain corn crushed very tiny, they have usually laying, growing and fatting feed.
- Drinking: chicks drink everyday, hen rarelly drink water but her poop always looked better than the rooster/cockerel who use to drink good in summer, now is not drinking too much, I think they prefer fruits instead of water. When the hen was broody I give her Oral Rehydration Salts because she did not drink water but I stopped because she pooped like diarrhea
- Behavior: Now they usually look very active, but from time to time the chicks stand like something hurts and close their eyes and the parents even shiver. They are not very docile, so it's very stressing when I need to grab them even in the night, I can get by their side but they dont like to be grabbed.
- Coop/Run: No, the mother just "found" his nest below a large bench, and I accomodate it because neighbour cats.
- Poop: Normal, normal with worms (cestodes larvae or eggs?), intestinal lining, sometimes runny and bubbles, and some of them have light yellow urates, the one who passed away had diarrhea with bright yellow watery urates
- Weight: (In the morning/night)
* Hen: 474g/520g I think she is molting but I think she is very skinny when I grab her. Have food in her crop in night and empty in the morning
* Rooster/cockerel(?):744g/754g Have little food in his crop in night and empty in the morning
* chicks: 149-164-140g/149-166-144 Have food in their crop in night and empty in the morning
- Age:
* Chicks: 1month old
* Hen: >1yo (unknown I get them in late january they told me she told me she already was mother).
* Rooster/cockerel: (they told me he has more than 3 months at least in late januuary)
- Dewormed ?:(only parents) In late february with Piperazine 53% in water, but I'm not sure if hen took water because I almost never watch her drink water or even the enough water. Cockerel/rooster had roundworms before dewormed
- Vitamins: (parents)I gave them vitamins in water after dewormed in late february but like I told you hen almost never drink and cockerel/rooster just take one drink that day maybe because I saw him stop when he drinked a bit.
- Another info:
* Apparently hen is molting because she has lost many feather in neck, tail and wings, but I can see them growing already but she scratch herself too much sometimes, but I can't see mites or lices when I grab her
* Chicks scratch themselfs sometimes when the mother do
* I saw them yawning many times at once to the hen and one chick.
* Yesterday the mon when standing in one leg, the lifted leg was shaking,
* The bantam rooster/cockerel had some kind of respiratory illnes until the past mom because he had trouble breathing if he ran a little, antibiotics did not do it anything, apparently he cure himself like two weeks ago maybe more.
* There are many wild birds and their droppings.
* I have 3 standard rooster(>2yo) in a bachelor coop/run who used to free range since chicks until 1yo and I feed them only corn and fruits because they used to eat many insects, They never were dewormed until february this year. I never saw worms in their poops either, diarrhea sometimes appear and dissapear, there are one with white and yellow urates in some poops but I thinked because ear infection that I need to treat too, but I will make another post for them.
My questions are:
1. It is safe to buy any dewormer for any animal as long as it has the active ingredient only? what about Excipients? sadly they are not especified in medicaments here.
2. It is safe to deworm the little chicks? I've read chickens are dewormed since they are fully grown.
3. Do you have experience deworming little bantam chicks similarly to mine in weight and age? Please tell me how you do it and if something went wrong too.
4. Right now I have Piperazine 53% but is for roundworms as long as I read, do you believe I can use that if I can't find for cestodes, just in case they can have those too but I did not found it in the chick who died? (I did it very fast without any knowledge, desperated, devastated and I'm not sleeping well lately).
5. Acording to your experience. How efficient is to deworm with powder medicine in water (the piperazine I have is powder)?
6. What is the age to start with growing feed for my chicks? I can feed the mother with the same groing feed?
7. Is it bad to give them scrambled eggs everyday?
8. Do I need to stop give them papaya in order to see if adults drink more water?
9. There are sign of another illnes perhaps I'm not aware of with the info above?
10. Do their weight looks normal?
11. Please tell me dosage of dewormer for cestodes
12. Feel free to ask anything related or give me your experience treating this worms please.
Thank you for reading.
Diatomaceous earth, (De) actually rids the body of roundworms, whipworms, pinworms, and hookworms within 7 days of being fed daily. But to be most effective, food grade diatomaceous earth must be fed long enough to catch all newly hatching eggs or cycling of the worms through the lungs and back to the stomach as De does not kill the eggs
 
Diatomaceous earth, (De) actually rids the body of roundworms, whipworms, pinworms, and hookworms within 7 days of being fed daily. But to be most effective, food grade diatomaceous earth must be fed long enough to catch all newly hatching eggs or cycling of the worms through the lungs and back to the stomach as De does not kill the eggs
DE will not prevent, treat, nor kill worms. Been there, done that years ago.
 
DE will not prevent, treat, nor kill worms. Been there, done that years ago.
I've been using it for years and have no issues, I put it in my animals food and dust then down with De,and no fleas, tix, mites, and no worms, sorry it didn't work for you, but it works for me and thousands of other people
 
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