My goose has cancer? Or something else?

[Adrisducks]

My goose is sick and one chicken. I have 2 geese, 5 ducks, 23 chickens total. No one else is showing any signs.

My goose is 5 years old and chicken is 4 years old.
Many ducks chickens of different ages acting fine. No new birds introduced to flock for 5 months

Diet is Purina's Pride layer formula with added vitamins


Goose: Lethargic, lost weight, doesn't preen or bathe, barely eats. That's all. Vet said possible cancer of reproductive organs.
Gave me antibiotics twice daily. No improvement at all. Calling him in the morning.

Chicken: lethargic, lost weight, open mouth breathing/gasping occasionally, sneezing, swollen face/comb. Tried treating for URI with no improvement, then treated for worms ivermectin possible gape worm, no improvement, tried antibiotics from vet no improvement.

I don't think they are having the same issue even though they have a few symptom similarities. But I don't know what to do from here. Any help advice would be greatly appreciated

Picture of her at the vets office.

 

[Adrisducks]

Yes I mean producers pride. But I also buy Purina all flock/waterfowl
I add B vitamin complex, joshes frogs yeast.
My ducks always eat more egg shells I put out for everyone separately than my chickens.

I forgot to mention I tried nutri-drench after reading it helped URIs

I tried the soupy mash food but not the gosling starter food yet. My geese only like the food dry. My ducks only like it soupy.

The vet thinks it's cancer because he felt a very large lump in her reproductive area. He gave me amoxicillin. He said X-rays wouldn't show anything. And she needed a cat scan which they don't have at that facility. It's the only vet that sees exotics.
He said cancer in the reproductive system is common for domestic geese.

No subtle differences the past few weeks..vet said they are extremely good at hiding symptoms because of being prey animals. I check them quite often and work from home so I'm with them all day but the geese don't like being handled as much as the others. Still I watch them like a hawk.

Her droppings were still normal on Thursday but now are bright green liquid. Getting it on her back feathers.

No swallowing or head shaking, drools a little as of today. Eyes perfectly fine.

I did not bring my hen yet. I'm bringing her tomorrow. I don't think my hen has a URI because nutri-drench and antibiotics didn't help at all.
My hen is moving around but barely eating now

 

[Goosebaby]

Yes I mean producers pride. But I also buy Purina all flock/waterfowl
I add B vitamin complex, joshes frogs yeast.
My ducks always eat more egg shells I put out for everyone separately than my chickens.

I forgot to mention I tried nutri-drench after reading it helped URIs

I tried the soupy mash food but not the gosling starter food yet. My geese only like the food dry. My ducks only like it soupy.

The vet thinks it's cancer because he felt a very large lump in her reproductive area. He gave me amoxicillin. He said X-rays wouldn't show anything. And she needed a cat scan which they don't have at that facility. It's the only vet that sees exotics.
He said cancer in the reproductive system is common for domestic geese.

No subtle differences the past few weeks..vet said they are extremely good at hiding symptoms because of being prey animals. I check them quite often and work from home so I'm with them all day but the geese don't like being handled as much as the others. Still I watch them like a hawk.

Her droppings were still normal on Thursday but now are bright green liquid. Getting it on her back feathers.

No swallowing or head shaking, drools a little as of today. Eyes perfectly fine.

I did not bring my hen yet. I'm bringing her tomorrow. I don't think my hen has a URI because nutri-drench and antibiotics didn't help at all.
My hen is moving around but barely eating now

If your hen has CRD amoxicillin won’t really help, typically Tylosin will work if it’s that.
Viruses and fungal infections also won’t be affected by antibiotics.

The green droppings are likely from not eating, the drooling could be from a mass pushing/ obstructing her digestive system or from an infection.

Could you feel your goose’s abdomen for the lump yourself? Sometimes with a lower intestinal infection from clostridium they can get a similar problem to a mega colon in humans and it will feel like a large lump in the lower abdomen. Work your way down until you feel two bulbs near her tail feathers, “that’s her pelvis” just below that but before you get to the rib cage you might feel a hard round lump. Technically that could be a tumor or something pushing an organ out of place but if it occasionally bubble, gurgles, or moves it’s her intestine. Normally this is soft and squishy but if it’s enlarged and compacted it will feel like an egg stuck in there.

 

[Adrisducks]

Is this the same thing? Could I use it on both?

 

[Adrisducks]

Yes I have a syringe. My hen now has foamy eyes


QUOTE="Goosebaby, post: 27119969, member: 552797"]
Also do you happen to have a syringe? Your goose probably won’t want to drink it in her water, it’s very bitter, giving it to her with a syringe is the only way to be sure she takes it.
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[Adrisducks]

She's barely eating anything but she's got more spunk all of a sudden

 

[Adrisducks]

My hen Blueberry went to the vet this morning and he said she was in pretty bad shape and if the antibiotics hadn't helped he was thinking it could be marek's disease. So we decided to put her down to end her suffering. I don't think she would have responded to a third antibiotic if the first 2 did nothing. Tylosin still hasn't come in yet by mail. We are shipping her to the city to get a necropsy so we know what this was. I'm afraid for the rest of my flock. I have 21 others. Thank you for all your help. If you want I'll take a pic of the necropsy report and post it here. It may take a week to receive.

 

[Adrisducks]

I'm so sad to report blueberry (Wyandotte chicken) had Mareks disease. My goose Gretchen had cancer. I didn't actually get a written report. My vet just called me and told me everything, I didn't know that's how they did it. I'm devastated.

At first 2 of my hens were breathing heavy and sneezing for a few days. And I thought this was the beginning of it but they just stopped and are acting fine now. No one is showing symptoms yet which I don't understand because from everything I've read online about Mareks it says it spreads quickly and you can lose half your flock within 48 hours.

Now I only have one goose, she's been looking for her sister and I feel terrible. She has 5 ducks that she spends time with but they don't graze with her of course. Should I get her a partner? Or will she be okay with the ducks?

 

[Goosebaby]

I'm so sad to report blueberry (Wyandotte chicken) had Mareks disease. My goose Gretchen had cancer. I didn't actually get a written report. My vet just called me and told me everything, I didn't know that's how they did it. I'm devastated.

At first 2 of my hens were breathing heavy and sneezing for a few days. And I thought this was the beginning of it but they just stopped and are acting fine now. No one is showing symptoms yet which I don't understand because from everything I've read online about Mareks it says it spreads quickly and you can lose half your flock within 48 hours.

Now I only have one goose, she's been looking for her sister and I feel terrible. She has 5 ducks that she spends time with but they don't graze with her of course. Should I get her a partner? Or will she be okay with the ducks?

You could also have your chickens tested by an independent source, UC Davis veterinary hospital will test blood samples sent to them through their CAHFS system and you will receive the lab results via email.
I think their system still allows owners to do it but you can also have a veterinarian do it for you.

https://cahfs.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/submitting/submit-specimens

Its important to note that virus RNA starts degrading after 48 hours or sooner if kept in adverse conditions which means it’s critically important to get it to the lab before that time limit. If you ask CAHFS for their account number with FedEx you can receive a discount on shipping too.

 

[Adrisducks]

Thank you!