Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

[Yang]

The Brazilian is basically the same bird as far as Malay lines go. black hen feathered Asil, a line from India

Brazilian game fowls and Malays are different breeds as far as I know but hey I can be wrong always learning something new. This is what I have read about the history of Malay game fowl.


"From about 1830 very large game chickens were imported to England, where they became fashionable and were selective breeding by English breeders. Some imports are documented from the Malay Peninsula, others from the Deccan of India. Those from India were sometimes called Grey Chittagongs, but were considered to be closely similar to the Malay. They were particularly numerous in Devon and Cornwall, especially in the area round Falmouth, which was a common first port of call for returning East Indiaman. They were also numerous in Ireland, in the area of Dublin."
"Malays were shown at the first British poultry exhibition in 1845, and were included in the Standard of Excellence, the first edition of the British Poultry Standards, in 1865."
"Malay birds were present in Germany and the Netherlands by about 1834, and by 1846 were introduced to the United States also. The black-breasted red Malay was included in the Standard of Perfection of the American Poultry Association from 1883, and the bantam in 1904; five other colors, both standard- and bantam-sized, were added in 1981. Numbers of the breed in the USA are very low; its conservation status is listed as "critical" by the FAO."


There might be more information out there on Malays but from reading on Malay game fowls I see no mention that Brazilians and Malays are the same line. There is no mention of Malays coming from brazil also. Brazilian game fowl from my knowledge is that the brazilian are a cross between all sorts of oriental game fowl and some brazils have spanish blood in the as well. Brazilians come in all sorts of colors and sizes and they don't all look the same. Some look like asil, thai, shamo and other breeds that I haven't raised before lol.

 

[kingcocker]

Brazilian game fowls and Malays are different breeds as far as I know but hey I can be wrong always learning something new. This is[COLOR=252525] what I have read about the history of Malay game fowl.[/COLOR]
"From about 1830 very large game chickens were imported to England, where they became fashionable and were selective breeding by English breeders. Some imports are documented from the Malay Peninsula, others from the Deccan of India.[SIZE=10.8333330154419px] [/SIZE]Those from India were sometimes called Grey Chittagongs, but were considered to be closely similar to the Malay. They were particularly numerous in Devon and Cornwall, especially in the area round Falmouth, which was a common first port of call for returning East Indiaman.[SIZE=10.8333330154419px] [/SIZE]They were also numerous in Ireland, in the area of Dublin."
"Malays were shown at the first British poultry exhibition in 1845, and were included in the Standard of Excellence, the first edition of the British Poultry Standards, in 1865."
"Malay birds were present in Germany and the Netherlands by about 1834, and by 1846 were introduced to the United States also.[SIZE=10.8333330154419px] [/SIZE]The black-breasted red Malay was included in the Standard of Perfection of the American Poultry Association from 1883, and the bantam in 1904; five other colors, both standard- and bantam-sized, were added in 1981. Numbers of the breed in the USA are very low; its conservation status is listed as "critical" by the FAO."


There might be more information out there on Malays but from reading on Malay game fowls I see no mention that Brazilians and Malays are the same line. There is no mention of Malays coming from brazil also. Brazilian game fowl from my knowledge is that the brazilian are a cross between all sorts of oriental game fowl and some brazils have spanish blood in the as well. Brazilians come in all sorts of colors and sizes and they don't all look the same. Some look like asil, thai, shamo and other breeds that I haven't raised before lol.

Malay is the root breed, there are no native chicken breeds in Brazil aside from jungle fowl

 

[Yang]

Malay is the root breed, there are no native chicken breeds in Brazil aside from jungle fowl

Red jungle fowls are the grandfather of all gamefowls that we have today and I never said brazilian gamefowl was a native breed in brazil but it was developed there by crossing multiple breeds together to form what we have today as brazilian gamefowl so that's where they get the name "brazilian gamefowl". The only thing I know about Malay gamefowl is that they are huge! as big! as O-Shamos.

 

[hellbender]

Nothing is truly pure these days, but pure to that line of Malay.

Alrighty then. I off to order 15 Saipan from Cackle Hatchery. They're about $8 bucks each which sounds like a severe discount if all I get is an oriental barnyard mix, no matter where they come from.

My last word on the subject.

 

[Yang]

LOL

 

[Yang]

Alrighty then. I off to order 15 Saipan from Cackle Hatchery. They're about $8 bucks each which sounds like a severe discount if all I get is an oriental barnyard mix, no matter where they come from.

My last word on the subject.

Out of all the hatcheries Cackle Hatchery have a pretty good rating good luck friend

 

[kingcocker]

Alrighty then.  I off to order 15 Saipan from Cackle Hatchery.  They're about $8 bucks each which sounds like a severe discount if all I get is an oriental barnyard mix, no matter where they come from.

My last word on the subject.

Talk is cheap. Enough said

 

[kingcocker]

Out of all the hatcheries Cackle Hatchery have a pretty good rating good luck friend

You are not going to get a bird with heart from a place like that. Those birds are for meat and eggs.

 

[kingcocker]

Red jungle fowls are the grandfather of all gamefowls that we have today and I never said brazilian gamefowl was a native breed in brazil but it was developed there by crossing multiple breeds together to form what we have today as brazilian gamefowl so that's where they get the name "brazilian gamefowl". The only thing I know about Malay gamefowl is that they are huge! as big! as O-Shamos.

http://www.ultimatefowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Brazilian may help

 

[Yang]

You are not going to get a bird with heart from a place like that. Those birds are for meat and eggs.

If your looking for "GAME" birds then hatcheries are not a place to get then. Buy from a breeder instead of hatcheries but who cares if other people want to buy from a hatchery it's their choice. I have never bought birds from hatcheries myself but I have read about reviews of the place and people are satisfied with what they got that's all I'm saying.