American Reza (Pakistani) Asil

[RFoxfire]

The other thing is, the only breed of asil which was created later that was in the 4# mark was from pakistan. Later it moved to sri lanka. The lithograph you posted is nothing like the true Asil. It seems more americanized. But i understand what you are getting at. Even in all the ancient paintings the bird are like our bam bam, amroha, Indian lines. That lithorgaph shows Amroha frame. You can see some of the old pictures here are getting too old.

There are original Asil like your fowl in Virginia. I know what you mean about the distinctive look.

Herbert Atkinson, and those drawing and painting, are of Asil fowl he obtained while living in India. So they would have been observed from native fowl on native soil, not removed and bred for several generations in England yet. He was an Englishman, and helped import to McCoy, Clarke, Wheeler, and several others, 1880s until near his death in 1934. All the smaller Asil. So it makes sense that they were established in the U.S., from those Punjab and Sindh bloodlines. They made their way to Lucknow, no matter where they originated, most imported from there to England and then the U.S.

Not sure if you have contacted anyone in Virginia yet but there is a Pakistani born breeder, who seems to have fowl directly from. I haven’t spoke to him but his fowl are on YouTube, and he travels to and from, based on his content.

 

[cubalaya]

There are original Asil like your fowl in Virginia. I know what you mean about the distinctive look.

Herbert Atkinson, and those drawing and painting, are of Asil fowl he obtained while living in India. So they would have been observed from native fowl on native soil, not removed and bred for several generations in England yet. He was an Englishman, and helped import to McCoy, Clarke, Wheeler, and several others, 1880s until near his death in 1934. All the smaller Asil. So it makes sense that they were established in the U.S., from those Punjab and Sindh bloodlines. They made their way to Lucknow, no matter where they originated, most imported from there to England and then the U.S.

Not sure if you have contacted anyone in Virginia yet but there is a Pakistani born breeder, who seems to have fowl directly from. I haven’t spoke to him but his fowl are on YouTube, and he travels to and from, based on his content.

Top quality aseel or aseel asil? He has bought birds from me several times

 

[RFoxfire]

Top quality aseel or aseel asil? He has bought birds from me several times

I’m not familiar with Aseel Asil if that is a handle or something.

Saw some YouTube videos of Top Quality. Never spoke to him. Just saw him in Pakistan with fowl explaining he was trying to import, not sure if he did or not.

 

[cubalaya]

I’m not familiar with Aseel Asil if that is a handle or something.

Saw some YouTube videos of Top Quality. Never spoke to him. Just saw him in Pakistan with fowl explaining he was trying to import, not sure if he did or not.

Yes he brought in the parrot beak asil. First ones in the US. Aseel asil and top quality asil are the same person.

 

[determed]

Anyone else breeding and raising Pakistani Asil?

My hens last year, started to lay while my American game hens took a break. I wasn’t checking nest boxes because I wasn’t thinking of them laying. Anyhow they went broody and I left them be, and hatched chicks between Christmas into the first week of January.

This clutch survived Maine’s polar vortex with -20 temperatures for about 2-3 days with a -40 wind chill. They were with the two hens, separate clutches, and inside my pens within my cock house. Feed bags over the rabbit wire pen doors.

Matured into beautiful pullets and a nice 11 month old stag. Anyhow my hens are in a winter pen for safe keeping (they free range after hatching and into winter) and they are laying again. I also have a ‘Hanson Red’ x Rampuri type hen with the ‘Christmas stag’ and she is laying now as well.

Does anyone else notice asils wanting to lay and (obviously if eggs aren’t collected) go broody in December and January?

I can collect eggs but, with so few eggs laid during a year, I may allow them to go broody again. Just curious if anyone else notices this cycle among their Asil. I’m not use to my game hens laying eggs this time of year.

How are you making out these days sir? Hope your thanksgiving was memorable and nice and wishing you a merry xmas!

 

[AGeese]

Yes he brought in the parrot beak asil. First ones in the US. Aseel asil and top quality asil are the same person.

Do you have the link to his channel? There are a few names like that.

 

[cubalaya]

Do you have the link to his channel? There are a few names like that.

No sorry

 

[determed]

My Reynolds came from Virginia breeders that got their asils directly from Manuel Reynolds. There is no Hyderabad in them. I had some asils that were 50% Saab hammer indian and i had a Saab Chaudhry north indian hen. I also had 50% Saab viper hen. All these bloodlines were bred into my Crusher Brazilians. I still keep my Reynolds asils pure and i have a pure line of Brazilian

Think those from India know when Muslim ruled and hindu ruled. All the way back to akbar.
Recently I saw an article written I'm 2010. I'm having a hard time finding it again. In that article which is online yet missing the part I am going to tell you about.
Seems to me this article has no creditabiloty now. This article says reynolds blood is now called hydrabad. Then it goes on to say that a couple fellas from USA got a small Atkinson asil from a fella in canada, spud something they called it. The fellas name from canada I recall was Thompson?. Well, that so called Atkinson was not Atkinson, it was maharathis pakistani asil bred by My family/ancestral bloodlines. Yes there were Atkinson In canada but they lost to true pure old school inbred pakistani bred by mahararthis asil. Maharathis asil kept a low profile yet was known by top breeders in India and some in USA. Our pakistani lines are 2. One is longer leaner the other shorter squatter like a football. When i find that article again I will post it here so people know the exact truth. The article is one, but may extracted or added paragraphs. The one common has the Canadian paragraph missing. Most likely because they k ow my father passed and I am alive and know the truth. The Reynolds birds my family got were carrying same blood as ours. Which is why there was a merge and purchase of reynolds blood. Different pheno type, same blood.
Those pakistani asil are deathly and drummer type.

 

[cubalaya]

Think those from India know when Muslim ruled and hindu ruled. All the way back to akbar.
Recently I saw an article written I'm 2010. I'm having a hard time finding it again. In that article which is online yet missing. the part I am going to tell you about.
Seems to me this article has no creditabiloty now. This article says reynolds blood is now called hydrabad. Then it goes on to say that a couple fellas from USA got a small Atkinson asil from a fella in canada, spud something they called it. The fellas name from canada I recall was Thompson?. Well, that so called Atkinson was not Atkinson, it was maharathis pakistani asil bred by My family/ancestral bloodlines. Yes there were Atkinson In canada but they lost to true pure old school inbred pakistani bred by mahararthis asil. Maharathis asil kept a low profile yet was known by top breeders in India and some in USA. Our pakistani lines are 2. One is longer leaner the other shorter squatter like a football. When i find that article again I will post it here so people know the exact truth. The article is one, but may extracted or added paragraphs. The one common has the Canadian paragraph missing. Most likely because they k ow my father passed and I am alive and know the truth. The Reynolds birds my family got were carrying same blood as ours. Which is why there was a merge and purchase of reynolds blood. Different pheno type, same blood.
Those pakistani asil are deathly and drummer type.

The article which you speak about was written by Doc Everett who owned asils from the 2 men who i believe to be Mr Hanson and the vet doctor from Ohio. These had Hyderabad blood although doc Everett had some Reynolds shamo in the pure form although he was misinformed on those as they were not shamo, either Earl Ashby shamo or Goto shamo, but asil, mostly black Darby asil. Doc Everett also claimed falsely that the birds i received from Mr Harris had Thai added. I saw Mr Harris yard firsthand and can tell you he kept pure lines and also battle crosses. Others claimed that i added Cubalaya to my Reynolds asils. That is a lie started by chicken peddlers so they could sell their 'asils', lol

 

[determed]

The article which you speak about was written by Doc Everett who owned asils from the 2 men who i believe to be Mr Hanson and the vet doctor from Ohio. These had Hyderabad blood although doc Everett had some Reynolds shamo in the pure form although he was misinformed on those as they were not shamo, either Earl Ashby shamo or Goto shamo, but asil, mostly black Darby asil. Doc Everett also claimed falsely that the birds i received from Mr Harris had Thai added. I saw Mr Harris yard firsthand and can tell you he kept pure lines and also battle crosses. Others claimed that i added Cubalaya to my Reynolds asils. That is a lie started by chicken peddlers so they could sell their 'asils', lol

Sir don't get me wrong I am not questioning your blood here at all. All I am saying is that article is incorrect when it comes to canadian Atkinson bought and brought to usa which took off. I've seen that article is written I'm different lengths , added and subtracted. Our pakistani blood was pre reynolds that he brought he in. His lines came down from ours back in Pakistan.
You say people say you added cubalaya to your lines? I have heard the exact opposite. I was told there was no fairer blood than yours. Honest true reynolds and that yiur brazillian was superior to all others. I believe my sources for they have been active in the sport since day 1.
Or to be honest I would not speak to you about this. I don't kiss butt, I respect breeders of your stature because or's integrity that makes one great. That's all I am on about here, is integrity. And respect where it is due.
I know what was handed down to me and my relatives from our ancestors. No one can question our integrity or our blood. I agree that peddlers have taken their toll om the gamefowl. But! Where quality is found , is where the truth lies. Any canadians who had asil and said they were pakistani , came from our blood here. Bred here. Yes there were other alleged asil here, but same as the stuff on east coast. Not from us.
My family is/was selective about whis hands the birds were going into. Last thing we wanted was our birds going into a regular Joe's hands who would either waste the blood and talk crap about the bloodline or abuse the blood and wash it out. Experienced fowl fanciers usually goy a chance at our lines.
Much respect to you Mr. Grissom.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.