American Reza (Pakistani) Asil

[cubalaya]

Thanks for your kind words and Merry Christmas

 

[RFoxfire]

The article which you speak about was written by Doc Everett who owned asils from the 2 men who i believe to be Mr Hanson and the vet doctor from Ohio. These had Hyderabad blood although doc Everett had some Reynolds shamo in the pure form although he was misinformed on those as they were not shamo, either Earl Ashby shamo or Goto shamo, but asil, mostly black Darby asil. Doc Everett also claimed falsely that the birds i received from Mr Harris had Thai added. I saw Mr Harris yard firsthand and can tell you he kept pure lines and also battle crosses. Others claimed that i added Cubalaya to my Reynolds asils. That is a lie started by chicken peddlers so they could sell their 'asils', lol

Here is the 2010 article I think you’ve mentioned, from Feathersite: https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Asil/EverettMReynolds.html

The article has some inaccurate information.

Mr. M. Reynolds did not breed, nor did he import into the US, Hyderabad Asil. He bred black “Asiatics” of Earl Ashby, and the “Pakistani Asil”. I would argue his Asil were created by way of blending, like most Asil families in the US.

Mr. Reynolds had Atkinson Asil since 1947. The “Pakistani Asil” trace back to a shipment of 40 eggs imported by a Mr. W. D. McConaughy of Alabama in 1964.

Please note the February 1966 article in Grit & Steel by Carl Saia who states, “This breed is known in Pakistan as the Desi Aseels. They are indigenous to western Pakistan, primarily the provences of West Punjab and Sind. This old rare strain was secured by a high U.S. embassy official with the help of the governor of West Pakistan. It was only through the personal friendship of the governor with the family that these eggs were secured from a high placed family in Kala Bagh Pakistan. This family has bred pure Desi Aseels for over a hundred years. The governor also stated that breeders in Pakistan are not particular about color, but reds and greys are the most common. A setting of forty eggs were shipped in 1964 resulting in seven chicks” (Saia C., 1966).

The foundation strain of “Atkinson / Sonotals” go back to the Mr. E. A. Wheeler Asil imported from Mr. H. Atkinson of the UK in 1935.

Mr. Reynolds bred “Sonotals/Atkinson” Asil, into his Pakistani/Desi Asil, as did other Asil breeders who also had the Desi fowl like Mr. Robert Chambers of Virginia for example.

This documentation and history comes from Mr. Hanson. He imported Baluchistan and Hyderabad Asil from the UK, from a man from Pakistan. The Hyderabad originated from a pair of grey Asil and were not bred into his Reynolds Asil.

 

[RFoxfire]

Do you have the link to his channel? There are a few names like that.

www.youtube.com/@topqualityaseel2892

 

[RFoxfire]

One of my bull stags, based on “Reynolds”, indirectly from Mr. Hanson and Mr. Grissom. The quality, dedication and preservation of Asil was immediately apparent.

 

[cubalaya]

Here is the 2010 article I think you’ve mentioned, from Feathersite: https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Asil/EverettMReynolds.html

The article has some inaccurate information.

Mr. M. Reynolds did not breed, nor did he import into the US, Hyderabad Asil. He bred black “Asiatics” of Earl Ashby, and the “Pakistani Asil”. I would argue his Asil were created by way of blending, like most Asil families in the US.

Mr. Reynolds had Atkinson Asil since 1947. The “Pakistani Asil” trace back to a shipment of 40 eggs imported by a Mr. W. D. McConaughy of Alabama in 1964.

Please note the February 1966 article in Grit & Steel by Carl Saia who states, “This breed is known in Pakistan as the Desi Aseels. They are indigenous to western Pakistan, primarily the provences of West Punjab and Sind. This old rare strain was secured by a high U.S. embassy official with the help of the governor of West Pakistan. It was only through the personal friendship of the governor with the family that these eggs were secured from a high placed family in Kala Bagh Pakistan. This family has bred pure Desi Aseels for over a hundred years. The governor also stated that breeders in Pakistan are not particular about color, but reds and greys are the most common. A setting of forty eggs were shipped in 1964 resulting in seven chicks” (Saia C., 1966).

The foundation strain of “Atkinson / Sonotals” go back to the Mr. E. A. Wheeler Asil imported from Mr. H. Atkinson of the UK in 1935.

Mr. Reynolds bred “Sonotals/Atkinson” Asil, into his Pakistani/Desi Asil, as did other Asil breeders who also had the Desi fowl like Mr. Robert Chambers of Virginia for example.

This documentation and history comes from Mr. Hanson. He imported Baluchistan and Hyderabad Asil from the UK, from a man from Pakistan. The Hyderabad originated from a pair of grey Asil and were not bred into his Reynolds Asil.

I agree with most of this except the Atkinson was added by Henry Lucas or Paul Hartong before McConaughey got them? Reynolds got his from McConaughey. I dont believe any more Atkinson was added until DR Dave and Mr Hanson got them. They also added Col. Hightower asil, Hyderabad from Dr Waseem, and Boles asil from Larry Lingerfelt . Neither Atkinson or Hyderabad was added by Mr Byrd or Mr Harris. Reynolds did refer to them as Atkinson and also Desi but i dont know why. Desi is mixed breed in India not considered asil. You also mentioned Mr Chambers and his birds were not game so were never added to Byrd's or Harris's lines.

 

[determed]

I agree with most of this except the Atkinson was added by Henry Lucas or Paul Hartong before McConaughey got them? Reynolds got his from McConaughey. I dont believe any more Atkinson was added until DR Dave and Mr Hanson got them. They also added Col. Hightower asil, Hyderabad from Dr Waseem, and Boles asil from Larry Lingerfelt . Neither Atkinson or Hyderabad was added by Mr Byrd or Mr Harris. Reynolds did refer to them as Atkinson and also Desi but i dont know why. Desi is mixed breed in India not considered asil. You also mentioned Mr Chambers and his birds were not game so were never added to Byrd's or Harris's lines.

yes sir thank you that is one of them. It is missing the paragraph about two Asil specialists purchasing an Asil from a Canadian being of Atkinson origin. Spud, something they called it. When i find it again i will post it. The paragraph was in the last 3rd of this article.
Have a good evening.

 

[RFoxfire]

yes sir thank you that is one of them. It is missing the paragraph about two Asil specialists purchasing an Asil from a Canadian being of Atkinson origin. Spud, something they called it. When i find it again i will post it. The paragraph was in the last 3rd of this article.
Have a good evening.

There are several Asil articles that may be found yet, I have a vague memory of Canadian Asil. Spud is still used in the US to describe as far as I understand it, smaller Asil families of Stan Wardell’s Asil, but I don’t recall their history further than that. I’m assuming there is a connection to Bobby Boles because they were contemporaries as I understand.

 

[determed]

There are several Asil articles that may be found yet, I have a vague memory of Canadian Asil. Spud is still used in the US to describe as far as I understand it, smaller Asil families of Stan Wardell’s Asil, but I don’t recall their history further than that. I’m assuming there is a connection to Bobby Boles because they were contemporaries as I understand.

Thank you for the article. Sir my family had aquired reynolds birds (decades ago) because there was lineage that was similar to ours, same blood different phenotype. Like a c line some would say. There was another time in the early 90's that hens were to be acquired from reynolds. However there were issues with being able to deliver or i think it was health related. Our family came to Canada in early 1900s. Some of our bloodlines before. The birds came with us where ever we went. With cells abroad and over north america breeding same bird for issues as when the type goes off. I am not trying to rewrite history here, but there were military (not sure of ranks) who sought the blood my family preserved 2 lines pakistani, 2 lines indian. The desi is not pure this is right, however the blood did stem from the lines my family has preserved. It is considered pure in some regions now. Shorter legs now. Birds were bought by military, maharajas ( brahman as we are) Sultans and other rulers and monarchy. This is where some of the other lines of asil were started or cultivated from. Colonialists are said to have set the standard that is not all historically correct even back home (sounds like everett). Meaning origin and genetic make up.
The paper work M.Reynolds had, had the same lineage as the birds my family preserved but not direct, 1 or 2 generations down from the original blood we have. If that makes sense? Like grand children. Whether he brought them in or not, that blood was the reason my family acquired reynolds blood. To line up to ours. It was a magistrate from india that had our blood that mentioned the local of the blood in north america. Reynolds. The line that was prior was like a round ball, you could say football. Looked like atkinson ou could say, common colouring. The lines we had people bred into their asil from usa or canadian and american fowl. A very successful cross was hoy muff x pakistani asil. A darby line from ireland x pakistani asil, and not sure here but a dick cox i think round head later on was popular. Heard the name from my uncle.
The indian kulangi and amroha were mid to tall station and they crossed well with roundheads mainly and later on sweater or kelso.
What i can say is i have to stick to what i was taught and know, centuries worth. Im sure you are educated on the subject as well.
I cannot mention names but there were cockers from Canada that had farms in usa, (Georgia, Tennesee, Louisianna, and Carolinas) they are not strangers. Grand children are still alive and some have the original blood of there grandfathers preserved. Farms sold. Some stock given away or sold. Most names i know are known for their dogs as well. One thing i remember most is our blood was popular in west virgina. My grandmother use to let hare krishnas stay in her home on their travels from w virgina to canada. The birds were brought back by them from canada and sometimes in egg form to cockers there. Not sure who, i was a child. but many xmas cards and chicken phone calls from there often especially during winter/ spring months. Only sold to select few in certain areas. A man in Buffalo would sometimes take the birds across otherwise, he had a cattle delivery business. Afghanistan asil came from our ancestors, some iranian as well as iraqi.
I re read your message, it basically reminded me to remember what i know and was taught because people are quick to destort. I am sorry your name was displayed and incorrect info was processed. Here we say from the horses mouth. direct. Which i is why i say the things i do here. I speak to you if i want to know about you mr, grissom, not the neighbor or some person who heard something from someone else about you and thought it was actual fact. There should be a written article apology to you and anyone else slandered or defamed. Those who know quality, and asil will know you for what you are. moguls dont need to assure anyone.
Enjoy your boxing day.

 

[determed]

I agree with most of this except the Atkinson was added by Henry Lucas or Paul Hartong before McConaughey got them? Reynolds got his from McConaughey. I dont believe any more Atkinson was added until DR Dave and Mr Hanson got them. They also added Col. Hightower asil, Hyderabad from Dr Waseem, and Boles asil from Larry Lingerfelt . Neither Atkinson or Hyderabad was added by Mr Byrd or Mr Harris. Reynolds did refer to them as Atkinson and also Desi but i dont know why. Desi is mixed breed in India not considered asil. You also mentioned Mr Chambers and his birds were not game so were never added to Byrd's or Harris's lines.

Desi is actually Punjabi Jat

 

[cubalaya]

Desi is actually Punjabi Jat

Okay i was just saying what i was told. I dont claim to be an asil historian. Just repeating what i was told