Ayam cemani rooster over olive eggers guess?

[Radrussie]

Hi

I have been breeding olive eggers.
Have now got:

2 x olive egger layers (back breed to bcm)
1 x olive/chocolate layer (back breed to bcm)
*hatching these hens eggs currently*

Also have:
4x Ayam cemani hens
1x easter egger - green layer
1x salmon faverolle - pink /brown
1x mix breed - pink/brown
1x mix breed - white layer

These hens have been kept with my BCM rooster. However, I am thinking of changing it up a bit next season. And putting my Ayam cemani rooster over these hens. Any predictions on what I might get? This would just be an experiment as I am waiting for my araucana (blue egg) and olive egger rooster to mature currently about 4 months.

Is this a good idea? The chicks would be part of my easter egger flock. Ideally I would start to develop the ultimate EE flock. All black,breads, coloured eggs but would also help getting my hen to rooster numbers better.

 

[Ridgerunner]

putting my Ayam cemani rooster over these hens. Any predictions on what I might get?

Your Ayam Cemani should have the genetics for tinted or light cream colored eggs.

2 x olive egger layers (back breed to bcm)

If I remember correctly you made these hens by crossing a blue egg layer to the BCM Rooster, so the hen would have one blue eggshell gene and one not-blue eggshell gene. Thet means about half of her offspring would have the blue eggshell gene and those pullets would lay green eggs. Since the AC rooster does not have dark brown eggshell genetics I'd expect those green eggs to be a lighter green that the egg they hatched out of. The other half of the pullets will lay brown eggs though the shade of brown could really vary. The AC rooster would not contribute any blue eggshell genes.

1 x olive/chocolate layer (back breed to bcm)

By this description I'm not sure if she is laying an olive egg or a dark brown chocolate egg. If you open one of her eggs and remove the membrane from the inside the inside of the shell should be either blue or white (maybe tinted but not blue). If the inside is blue then it would be like the hens above. If the inside is white or tinted then all pullets would lay some shade of brown.

4x Ayam cemani hens

An AC rooster should give you tinted or light cream eggs.

1x easter egger - green layer

Same as the first olive eggers above but probably a lighter minty shade of green.

1x salmon faverolle - pink /brown
1x mix breed - pink/brown

Both with the AC rooster should give you a tinted or brown egg. Probably a light brown.

1x mix breed - white layer

With the AC rooster you'll probably get a tinted or light cream egg.

Is this a good idea? The chicks would be part of my easter egger flock. Ideally I would start to develop the ultimate EE flock. All black,breads, coloured eggs but would also help getting my hen to rooster numbers better.

I have no idea if it is a good or bad idea. That depends on your goals and desires, not mine.

To get a flock where all the hens lay blue or green eggs you need to only hatch blue or green eggs. As long as you use a rooster that does not have a blue eggshell gene half of the pullets you hatch will not lay blue or green eggs even if you only hatch blue or green eggs. Your Auracana should have both genes at that gene pair as blue eggshell genes so all of his daughters will lay a blue or green egg.

I assume the 4 month old olive egger is one of your crosses, the BCM rooster over a hen that laid a blue or green egg. If the hen that laid that egg was a breed that had two blue eggshell genes then he has one and about 3/4 of his daughters should lay a blue or green egg if she is one of your crosses. If he was from one of your crosses then he might have one blue eggshell gene and 3/4 of his daughters would lay a blue or green egg if the mother was one of your crosses. Or he may not have any blue egg shell gene and half of his daughters would lay a blue or green egg and half would not, assuming the mother was one of your crosses.

There are a lot of "ifs", "maybes" and "assumptions" here because I'm not always sure of the genetic makeup of the chickens you are breeding.

If you want a black flock the AC rooster would certainly point you in the right direction. I have no idea what your 4 month old cockerels look like as far as making your flock black.

 

[Radrussie]

Better the Google. Thank you for taking the time.

The Ayam cemani where kinda mistake flock was been sold cheap by a friend. Got them because I thought the black bones and skin was cool.

Is the Ayam cemani worth making my cooler? Or should the be separate flock? I have 4 x hens 4 x roosters. So need to make a plan to add more hens to the mix. Anyway.

I understand if any of my rooster Do not carry the fm/fm (black stuff) I could test them over my mixed flock. There offspring can prove the black stuff gene.

This Ayam cemani flock is between 8-12 months. Some where laying before I got them but free range I larger area and haven't found eggs yet to hatch (winter)

Could a fm/fm thing be breed with fluffy faces and dark egg or is this a massive time suck.

Want to be build flock but could sell a few chicks of the side and select "nice ones"
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The goal was to have a rainbow egg flock. So since I had a black copper maran. Started with the darker eggs first.

I check the BCM genetic in adding brown gene. By only hatch green eggs
Next gen was a lot dark. Olive. For sure.

the 4 month old olive egger

I have bought in eggs from a local breed and hatched them out.


Preference was for hens with beards.

Currently have

4 month olds
1x olive egger (beard) Grey colour. - roo
1x aruacana (fluffy face) white - roo
1x faverolle x olive egger brown/redish-roo
1xAruacana rumpless _hen
2x unsure be blue eggs-hen

2 month olds
Chicks x14 focus on blue eggs. Aruacan + british long tail aruacana and ee laying blue egg.

The goal with this gen is to work on the blue side of the rainbow.