calf manna vs calf starter any suggestions

[Chris09]

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It wasnt ment to be harsh, just just a little more clearer and or corect.

Chris

 

[dragonlair]

Depending on your location, Blue Seal feeds makes a Calf Manna knock off, Sunshine Pellets, that is the same thing only priced less.

 

[Cara]

Or you could just feed Flock Raiser instead, it's about $13.50 at TSC and 20% protein.

 

[slewis]

I bought some soy bean meal, which is 47% protein, thinking I would get tons more eggs.... I have not gotten any more eggs than before. I have been cooking whole wheat, then adding some soybean meal to that, I have also poured milk over the soy bean meal, and let it soak it up so it's more like a paste, they eat it great both ways, but no increase in eggs, they have been eating this daily for 3 weeks. I doubt adding something that is 18% protein will increase your egg production. I also tried the cayenne pepper trick, and that has not produced any results yeat, but it has only been 4 days. I have 94 hens and am only getting 36 eggs a day.... I guess it's time to weed out some hens... if only I knew who is not laying!

 

[silkielovr]

Chookchick mentioned cottage cheese, washed. Does that mean with the creamy stuff removed???? Just feed the curds?
Why? What does cottage cheese add????? Besides protein?
Does it constipate or cause loose bowels????
i never have fed it and wondered why folks do.
Thanks,
Cheryl

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

I can tell you that I've been feeding the calf manna...only a double-handful once a day...for the last 6 days and for the last 2 days I got an egg from every hen in the pen!! Before that I was getting 3-4 a day. I don't add artificial light because we are in Florida and I don't want to "burn out" the hens. I do think they needed the protein boost here at the end of winter though.

 

[DaveOmak]

(because the percentage of protein doesn't matter so much as the overall amount of protein; something that I know is rather difficult to visualize),

Are you talking about TDN (Total Digestible Nutrition) ? If not you just lost me because if the tag says 17% protein that means that there is 17% protein per 100 lbs of feed..

something they're unlikely to do because they feel full from all the non-protein

"Felling full" has more to do with Carbohydrates and Fiber than Protein.

but more filler

So "filler" in feed would be??? I would love to know just what you are calling a "filler".



Chris​

Chris, morning..... If a chicken can eat only 100 grams of feed per day, then they get 17 grams of protein.....

If you need for them to get more protein, cut the corn out of their diet... At approx. 7% protein, corn would be considered a "filler" for lack of a better term, when you are trying to "UP" the protein in the chickens diet..... If the corn is 25% of the diet, 1.75 grams of protein has been removed... If you then add the remaining feed back up to 100 grams, (since 25 grams of corn was removed), your 17% protein feed is now up to (15.25 grams,(after the 1.75 grams subtracted for the removal of corn), 15.25 grams x 100/75 = 20.33% protein .... 20.33 grams of protein per 100 grams of feed......

Sooo, when a chicken can only eat 100 grams of feed per day, and you remove the corn and replace it with what is left, your chickens will get 20.33 grams of protein per day ......

In that instance...... corn is considered a filler...... other stuff can be considered a filler also........ I only used corn as an example.....

I'm not putting this post up to start a discussion...... only to explain "WHY" you can call something a filler...... depends on your goals.....

One more example.......

When you buy seasoning from the store...... It has salt in it...... In that instance, salt is a filler because it is so cheap.....

 

[Chris09]

Chris, morning..... If a chicken can eat only 100 grams of feed per day, then they get 17 grams of protein.....

If you need for them to get more protein, cut the corn out of their diet... At approx. 7% protein, corn would be considered a "filler" for lack of a better term, when you are trying to "UP" the protein in the chickens diet..... If the corn is 25% of the diet, 1.75 grams of protein has been removed... If you then add the remaining feed back up to 100 grams, (since 25 grams of corn was removed), your 17% protein feed is now up to (15.25 grams,(after the 1.75 grams subtracted for the removal of corn), 15.25 grams x 100/75 = 20.33% protein .... 20.33 grams of protein per 100 grams of feed......

Sooo, when a chicken can only eat 100 grams of feed per day, and you remove the corn and replace it with what is left, your chickens will get 20.33 grams of protein per day ......

In that instance...... corn is considered a filler...... other stuff can be considered a filler also........ I only used corn as an example.....

I'm not putting this post up to start a discussion...... only to explain "WHY" you can call something a filler...... depends on your goals.....

One more example.......

When you buy seasoning from the store...... It has salt in it...... In that instance, salt is a filler because it is so cheap.....

Well you can look at it like this also,
Corn is one of the main sources of energy in poultry feed and if you lower the energy amount in a feed your birds will in turn eat more feed since chickens eat to fill a caloric need. Also if the energy level is to low with the proteins, fats, carbs etc. remaining to high you will end up with fat over weight chicken.
A filler corn is not.

 

[DaveOmak]

 

[DaveOmak]

I looked at BigR today for calf manna.... They had a competitors "equal 2" mix.... It was Cargill pellets "Milk Plus" ..... It had a very good assortment of minerals, vitamins etc.... I think, it was 28% protein.... looks like a good thing to me but I don't know squat....
Sooooo.... take a look at different stuff next time at the feed store.... On the package it is recommended for just about everything in the yard...