Coccidiosis Treatment

[AMURPHY227]

I am pretty sure one of my girls has contracted Coccidiosis. I found this (pic below) in my coop this morning under where my black copper marans sleep.

I am leaving work early to take it and have it tested pretty much just to get confirmation, and then I will treat my whole flock with Corid.


My girls are partial free range- Due to living by woods where predators live, they are only let out of the run when I'm home everyday after work, and on weekends all day.
Aside from layer feed, I feed them fresh fruits and garden veggies daily, in moderation, and scratch and mealworms as treats- also in moderation but not daily. (every other day at least).

My question is-
1) Do I continue feeding them as normal with the Corid?
2) Do I give any extra vitamins or anything DURING the Corid treatment, BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd treatment, or only after the second treatment is completed?

I know their vitamins will need to be replenished, but going 3 weeks seems kind of bad to me?

 

[ChicNmom]

Unless you are seeing that every day, it looks more like normal intestinal shed to me.


Do you see any other signs of cocci? Has the weather been very damp there?

It won't hurt to do a corrid dose. Just don't give them any supplemental B vitamins especially thiamin. Normal feeding and treats are OK.

 

[AMURPHY227]

Unless you are seeing that every day, it looks more like normal intestinal shed to me.

That would be amazing if thats all it is!...... I'm not seeing it everyday, I saw smaller and lighter colored amounts a little over 2 weeks in a row though. First pic was on Sept 27, second pic was last Tuesday Oct 8.
They had eaten strawberries both times these pics were taken, so after the 2nd week I stopped giving them strawberries...(silly maybe, but blueberries make their poop blue ) .....and I've been triple checking droppings daily.

These 2 were taken when they were free ranging so I do not know if it came from the same chicken or not, but I would put money it was the same one due to location I found them is where my BCMs hang out by my bachelor pad lol

I've never dealt with coccidiosis, also never noticed the intestinal shed either and I'm not necessarily new to chicken life! haha

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I am pretty sure one of my girls has contracted Coccidiosis. I found this (pic below) in my coop this morning under where my black copper marans sleep.

My question is-
1) Do I continue feeding them as normal with the Corid?
2) Do I give any extra vitamins or anything DURING the Corid treatment, BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd treatment, or only after the second treatment is completed?

I know their vitamins will need to be replenished, but going 3 weeks seems kind of bad to me?

I am leaving work early to take it and have it tested pretty much just to get confirmation, and then I will treat my whole flock with Corid.

Have the vet test for worms too.

I would probably go ahead and treat for Coccidiosis and worms if they were mine.

Question1 - Yes, feed as normal.

Question 2 - Do not give any Extra vitamins/supplements containing B1(Thiamine) during the course of treatment with Corid.

Their feed has all the nutrients needed, including B1(Thiamine), so it's really not necessary to give vitamins/supplements after/between treatment unless you want to.


Liquid Corid dose is 2tsp or Powdered Corid Dose is 1 1/2tsp per gallon of water given for 5-7 days as the only source of drinking water.
Do not add any extra vitamins/electrolytes that contain B1(Thiamine) to food or water during the course of treatment.
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To treat most worms that poultry can have except for Tapeworm you can use Safeguard (Fenbendazole) or Valbazen (Albendazole). Both are given orally by weight; they do not mix well with water.

Safeguard dose is 0.23ml per pound of weight given orally once a day for 5 days in a row.
---OR---
Valbazen dose is 0.08ml per pound of weight given orally once, then repeated in 10 days

Here's how to give oral medications:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/ar...dications-to-all-poultry-and-waterfowl.73335/

As you can there is a note in Plumb's Vet Drug Manual about "Excessive Thiamine" in the diet which can affect the activity of Amprolium (Corid). So feed as normal and omit supplements during the course of treatment.

 

[AMURPHY227]

Thank you that is helpful!

The fecal sample was positive for coccidiosis so I am going home to begin treatment.

 

[AMURPHY227]

Another question:

I started my whole flock on Corid last night. None of them have been showing symptoms and as of last night I'd only seen blood in the one chickens stool.
This morning, there was blood in several of their stools. (Going off of where they roost at night is how I determined that)....

So is this just the medicine working and pushing it out?

We learn by experience, and this is the first time I've had to deal with this. I walked out of my run crying this morning bc I have no idea if thats supposed to happen! haha (I'm a worry cryer )

This is the part nobody really talks about lol. Hundreds of posts on how to treat this but not much insight on what to expect during treatment. A few people have told me that since mine are adults (youngest ones in there are 8 months old) they wouldn't treat them if they weren't "acting" ill, bc they will build immunity to it. But I've seen too many people say their chickens showed no symptoms, but they walked out to find their chickens dead and bloody stool is all they had, and had no clue why they dropped dead.
I believe they caught a strain from my ducks, so the immunity was not built up slowly.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I started my whole flock on Corid last night. None of them have been showing symptoms and as of last night I'd only seen blood in the one chickens stool.
This morning, there was blood in several of their stools. (Going off of where they roost at night is how I determined that)....

So is this just the medicine working and pushing it out?

This is the part nobody really talks about lol. Hundreds of posts on how to treat this but not much insight on what to expect during treatment. A few people have told me that since mine are adults (youngest ones in there are 8 months old) they wouldn't treat them if they weren't "acting" ill, bc they will build immunity to it. But I've seen too many people say their chickens showed no symptoms, but they walked out to find their chickens dead and bloody stool is all they had, and had no clue why they dropped dead.
I believe they caught a strain from my ducks, so the immunity was not built up slowly.

When you can, get more photos.

Possible what you are seeing is due to the medication, I have never noticed an increase in blood in the droppings due to using Corid.

Check vents to make sure no one has a prolapse or injury that may be contributing the blood you found.

"Immunity" is really not a correct word for folks to use. "Resistance" is a far better choice. "Protective Immunity" may be another choice to use.

Birds can and do build resistance to the strains of Coccidia found in their environment, but overloads can occur for one reason or another. Stress, illness, changes in weather (especially rainy periods), wet grounds/ flooding, etc., are a few things that can increase the chances of an overload.

Older birds are less likely to show symptoms than youngsters/chicks.

Coccidia is generally species specific, so the strains that affect other fowl or animals usually do not affect Chickens. There are 9 strains that poultry can have, 2 of them cause blood in the poop. I don't think they contracted Coccidiosis from the Ducks, but being on wet or mucky ground in warmish weather "might" cause them to have an overload - there's really a lot of factors.

Chickens always have some Coccidia in their "system". Just like most animals/fowl, the overload is when there's a problem.

Bottom line. Corid is a mild medication and won't hurt the hens even if Coccidiosis is not a problem. There's no egg withdrawal period for Corid.

 

[AMURPHY227]

When you can, get more photos.

Possible what you are seeing is due to the medication, I have never noticed an increase in blood in the droppings due to using Corid.

Check vents to make sure no one has a prolapse or injury that may be contributing the blood you found.

"Immunity" is really not a correct word for folks to use. "Resistance" is a far better choice. "Protective Immunity" may be another choice to use.

Birds can and do build resistance to the strains of Coccidia found in their environment, but overloads can occur for one reason or another. Stress, illness, changes in weather (especially rainy periods), wet grounds/ flooding, etc., are a few things that can increase the chances of an overload.

Older birds are less likely to show symptoms than youngsters/chicks.

Coccidia is generally species specific, so the strains that affect other fowl or animals usually do not affect Chickens. There are 9 strains that poultry can have, 2 of them cause blood in the poop. I don't think they contracted Coccidiosis from the Ducks, but being on wet or mucky ground in warmish weather "might" cause them to have an overload - there's really a lot of factors.

Chickens always have some Coccidia in their "system". Just like most animals/fowl, the overload is when there's a problem.

Bottom line. Corid is a mild medication and won't hurt the hens even if Coccidiosis is not a problem. There's no egg withdrawal period for Corid.

Thank you for this!..... I knew the strains for other animals wouldn't affect them however I did not realize they couldn't catch a strain from ducks.

I live in south Louisiana, so we have still had weather in the 90's during the day, up until today (finally sunny and 65!).... and they sure were also on wet ground from my water hose having a small leak in front of their coop.

I took pictures yesterday morning, then worried all day at work lol.
I scooped the coop and run before I left for work, and when I got home there was only 2 droppings with a small drop of blood.
I saw no blood for the rest of the night after that.

This morning, only 1 small drop of blood on a stool, and one little splat of blood about half an inch long.

I'm not seeing diarrhea so much now also, mostly seeing solid healthy stools.

I've been obsessively scooping the droppings out of the run and coop. Normally I just do it all in the evenings when I collect eggs, and only scoop out the bedding in the mornings where they walk to their nesting boxes..... Now I'm doing full scoop outs at 4:45am before work, then when I get home from work, and again after theyre all roosting at night lol

I'm hoping and praying that my other birds just weren't showing the symptoms yet until yesterday morning. I have 14 girls in there so hopefully its just making it way out of them.

I've been doing 4mL per gallon of water b/c I thought I had a mild case. I'm scared to overmedicate them but also scared to under medicate them. Should I up the dosage a little bit you think?

Also thank you so much for your time and advice with me!

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you for this!..... I knew the strains for other animals wouldn't affect them however I did not realize they couldn't catch a strain from ducks.

I live in south Louisiana, so we have still had weather in the 90's during the day, up until today (finally sunny and 65!).... and they sure were also on wet ground from my water hose having a small leak in front of their coop.

I took pictures yesterday morning, then worried all day at work lol.
I scooped the coop and run before I left for work, and when I got home there was only 2 droppings with a small drop of blood.
I saw no blood for the rest of the night after that.

This morning, only 1 small drop of blood on a stool, and one little splat of blood about half an inch long.

I'm not seeing diarrhea so much now also, mostly seeing solid healthy stools.

I've been obsessively scooping the droppings out of the run and coop. Normally I just do it all in the evenings when I collect eggs, and only scoop out the bedding in the mornings where they walk to their nesting boxes..... Now I'm doing full scoop outs at 4:45am before work, then when I get home from work, and again after theyre all roosting at night lol

I'm hoping and praying that my other birds just weren't showing the symptoms yet until yesterday morning. I have 14 girls in there so hopefully its just making it way out of them.

I've been doing 4mL per gallon of water b/c I thought I had a mild case. I'm scared to overmedicate them but also scared to under medicate them. Should I up the dosage a little bit you think?

Also thank you so much for your time and advice with me!

Always give the outbreak dose.

Liquid Corid dose is 2tsp or Powdered Corid Dose is 1 1/2tsp per gallon of water given for 5-7 days as the only source of drinking water.
Do not add any extra vitamins/electrolytes that contain B1(Thiamine) to food or water during the course of treatment.

 

[AMURPHY227]

@Wyorp Rock
I'm back for another dilemma.
I have NO idea whats going on lately but something had to have brought stuff on my property near my chickens. We have made no changes. They walk on the same ground everyday, have pecked scratch off the same ground everyday for the 2 years we've been on our property, and they have never gotten parasites, and now 2 show up within the same week.
The only thing I can think of is wood rats. I've never found one in my coop or run, but I did see 2 of them outside of my run a few weeks ago for 2 nights in a row, and caught them on the third night.... and fussed at my husband for letting the field by my run get too high.
Field was cut the next day and I havent seen one since. But no telling how long they could have been living over there before I actually placed eyes on them.

-Yesterday morning I walked out to my coop and was scooping poop, and found one single roundworm in some stool under the roost. It was dead when I saw it so I'm not sure if it was expelled dead or what. But either way it was a roundworm lol

I went ahead and stopped the Corid yesterday, it was day 6. I was going to do 7 days since I under medicated the first day and a half but after this I felt I needed to stop so I could start getting vitamins back in them. I'm scared to deworm them so close to using Corid.
I bought the fenbendazole liquid for goats but now thinking I want to do the fenbendazole aqua-sol so its not so much at once.

I haven't seen another worm since the one yesterday. All my girls are still acting fine, still laying normal (got 13 eggs out of 14 layers yesterday)..... so....
1) is it safe for me to order the fenbendazole aqua-sol and wait until it comes in to worm them, or is this an ASAP kind of thing?
2) Can I add poultry cell with the dewormer in their water?