Dogs more important than Chickens?

[Dita Orlik]

Alright, if we’re considering dogs and chickens as people, I’d put it into this perspective…

If a person came over and started attacking my children, they’d probably get shot, or seriously injured. And if you want to put it into their perspective, if a person trespassed on my property and started destroying my livelihood, they’d probably have the same result.

Exactly. What are you taking their space you moved to their Territory they were there before you. The least you can do is to protect your livelihood without killing somebody's. I never said you cannot protect your chickens, that's why I'm sharing my experience and giving you the tools to do it. So again, is it relevant what you are saying it's not like that you are against the wall and your only option is to murder something to protect your children or your animals.

 

[Dita Orlik]

I understand you have a very strong opinion on this and can imagine why, but I don't believe that dismissing other peoples' points of view while repeating your own is ever going to make someone suddenly see the light.

For example, the context to your above questions is the law, which varies by location. And we make up the laws that give us the right to exploit the planet, and animals, and other people so they're probably not the answer you want anyway.

Poeple don't wake up in the morning wondering how they are going to ruin the planet today. They might wonder how to protect their birds. They might even believe having their own birds and killing a predator once is a while is better for the planet overall than buying industrial meat from the store. A better question than "what give you the right" might be, what can be done to make it easier to protect the birds in a way that discourages killing predators. We have non profits helping fund electric fencing and managing attractants for people to reduce conflict for example. That has worked way better to save bears from being shot around here than treating people like they're a child by wagging a finger saying this is a big no no, find another way.

Also, note that I fundamentally I agree humans should be caretakers of the planet or at least leave a small footprint and not exploit/destroy it, though I have a more moderate/pragmatic stance, so I'm not going to argue further.

Again you can stop wondering I'm giving you the plan how to protect your chickens if you just are willing to try at least try, save all the words do the action, I got all the tools. As I'm saying where there is a will, there is away. And what do you mean “wagging a finger”…. you just said that they found the way that they use the electric fencing, ….that's what I'm saying, find the way. You found hundreds of ways why not to do it why are you wasting the time?

 

[FrostRanger]

I would also add that in some places certain species are overpopulated. In my state coyotes are overpopulated which causes its own problems. Predator proofing should be the first line of defense but sometimes there are just too many of a species and it throws things out of balance

 

[Dita Orlik]

I would also add that in some places certain species are overpopulated. In my state coyotes are overpopulated which causes its own problems. Predator proofing should be the first line of defense but sometimes there are just too many of a species and it throws things out of balance

The thing is here I am not trying to argue with people about their views and I don't mean you, I mean generally. But what I am saying is I found the way I have a know-how. But no one asks me how the hell did I manage this? Everyone is only telling me about how killing the animals it's okay, because of whatever reasons. I am saying do you wanna know how to protect the chicken without murdering the wildlife? I can tell you how step-by-step. And it doesn't matter where you live, how many coyotes are there I got two packs here. If you want to start thinking about how to protect the chickens, I tell you step-by-step. I show you, I made videos I recorded it from the beginning I have learned, they learned and you can learn from me or you can show me the better way but not the easiest way like to blast somebody's life off this planet.

 

[fowltemptress]

Whelp, the wild animals, when they're able, never balk at killing when it comes to protecting their own, and I don't fancy myself too good to listen to the lessons from nature herself.

 

[Ginmary]

I recently had an issue come up that got me thinking. I had a few dogs attack my chickens and I contacted the owner within my neighborhood chat.

A few people have made comments like: “a dog is my child” and “a dog is more important than your chickens”

“If you would shoot a dog, I hope you wouldn’t shoot a child”

I don’t agree that a dog is the equivalent to a child. They are animals.

Do you all believe it’s acceptable to protect your chickens against all predators? (Including someone’s dog)

The law states I can kill a dog attacking my chickens. Hopefully, more people can be aware of this issue so they can protect their own animals.

We ended up putting up an electric fence.

"A few people have made comments like: “a dog is my child” and “a dog is more important than your chickens”"

By that reasoning, is it ok if a neighbors child comes over to attack the dog? The child does have the higher hierarchy.