Dosage help! Anyone use these All Bird products? (Water-soluble wormer and antibiotic)

[casportpony]

Dang, that is a great picture!

 

[chickengoggles]

Dang, that is a great picture!

Only here would such a photograph elicit excitement.

They do look huge, though! Pellets nearby help to put them in perspective. Poor girl!

She's my hen that is the most, er, beloved by roosters (happened at her previous home, with our previous rooster, and with our current cockerel). Wonder if the stress of the attention lowered her resistance somehow?

 

[chickengoggles]

I prefer to give wormers orally.
I use safeguard liquid goat wormer sometimes and I dose each chicken orally first thing in the mornings before they eat or drink. I do this 3 days in a row, sometimes 5 days in a row if I suspect capillary infection. When I use valbazen, I dose each chicken orally first thing in the morning, then again 10 days later. I also worm monthly and I have other wormers that I use as well.
Since you have a back injury (I can relate,) it's best to use a wormer they can drink by themselves. Set the mixture out for them to drink prior to letting them out of the coop in the morning. Make sure it's their sole source of water to drink. Also remove their feed prior to letting them out. Your birds will be hungry and thirsty after letting them out and will readily drink the treated water. The worms will be hungry too and the wormer will be very effective knocking them off. Then after 2 or 3 hours, go ahead and feed your chickens. Repeat this procedure as your vet prescribed.
If you're adding the mixture to their feed, disregard withholding feed. I'd remove their feed 4 hours before they go to roost the late afternoon before worming the next morning. Do not withhold water.

When I do my follow-up dosing (in 10 days or 3 weeks), I should stick with fenbendazole, and not switch to valbazen or my new *deluxe* dewormer, correct? Save those for the next go round?

And also, while I have the experts here, is there any evidence (besides anecdotal) that topical ivermectin works on chickens? My vet said there isn't. But she also asked me if I'd considered feeding DE, so...

 

[Eggcessive]

This might be the article that your vet read, and it has various times of the lifecycle of worms, but they also talk about using DE and give some incorrect or outdated info on treatments. I do like that they explain the types of worms and give more details than most articles about chicken worms:
https://poultrykeeper.com/general-chickens/worming-chickens/

 

[casportpony]

And also, while I have the experts here, is there any evidence (besides anecdotal) that topical ivermectin works on chickens?

I couldn't find any studies either, but if anyone is interested, I can catch a pea, confirm lice, then take pictures of me treating it, then pictures in 24-72 hours later.

 

[dawg53]

Stick with the benzimidazoles for worming, you'll be glad you did.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/pharmacology/anthelmintics/benzimidazoles
VermX and DE are useless for treating worms:
http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2012/01/ve...eal-evidence-to-show-it-is-safe-or-effective/

 

[dawg53]

Dang, that is a great picture!

We like looking at worm pics lol.

 

[chickengoggles]

I couldn't find any studies either, but if anyone is interested, I can catch a pea, confirm lice, then take pictures of me treating it, then pictures in 24-72 hours later.

Sorry, I meant for internal parasites.

 

[casportpony]

Sorry, I meant for internal parasites.

Well there are several studies that say it's not an effective worker when given orally.

 

[Kiki]

DE will not kill internal parasites and I wouldn't rely on Ivermectin to do so either.