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Hi Omran for the private message.
I think that many people have sized it up wonderfully. Redtractorranch has really presented everything that could be hoped for. Those of you wondering about organic flocks and concern with the vaccines- are also spot on. State of mind aside, Mareks is the cold sore of the Poultry world.
I have personally never vaccinated a single chick nor ordered any that were vaccinated. Just a personal preference. Mareks does appear from time to time especially when I buy new stock that has not been vaccinated or stock that is not immune. The Japanese discovered a method to knock this out before it begins using proactive methods. Since the most ancient days of poultry keeping in Japan, poultiers recognized that wild junglefowl and the very closely bred cultural heritage breeds like the Onagadori and Koeyoshi were very vulnerable to Mareks. They created special proactive nutrition packets which work to stave the Mareks away. Cranberry seeds and pulp are the most important tool together with tumeric powder. Mixing ground extruded kibble like fish based dry cat food into your chick starter is also exceedingly important- with all this dependence on chick starters and not really thinking about what nature intended for baby junglefowl, we tend to forget that invertebrates are the primary food of chicks in nature. They will also gorge on antioxidant rich fruit and rootlets when available. Chick starter is made of ground up grains and legumes with synthetic vitamins and so on. Increase the fat and animal protein levels in your chick feed and fewer will succumb to nutritional stress related ailments.

Another vital issue is good ventilation- feed should be placed in non tip bowls on elevated tables. Get the birds moving jumping and flying as soon as possible and eliminate dust in their enclosures by improving your chick starter beforehand.

Ive covered this in another thread recently.

If you utilize the Farmer's Helper Babycakes- made of cranberry seeds/pulp, turmeric, nut dough, crustacean meal and DE, you will be able to cut down on the amount of chick starter put out each day by fifty percent. In deed, you can cut way back on dust by improving your starter as described in the thread by the writer from Fernley Nevada on chicks- and only feeding once in the morning- and only as much as the chicks can feed in a few hours. A Babycake ( Murray McMurray) is left out for the birds to pick at instead of the messy dusty mash-which coats the birds- feathers and respiratory systems from early on. Feather dander is where Mareks is picked up- so it is necessary to create very sanitary dust wallows in deep pans or wading pools- at the third week on . Keep these clean- eliminate the dust by improving the starter and put out a Babycake so the birds will ingest cranberry and turmeric daily.

This is how we keep endangered and very rare wild species alive which logically cannot be given vaccinations- It is also how the exceedingly delicate domestic breeds prone to this ailment can be bred to resist Mareks to begin with.
 
Ok, I thought the concensus was not to vaccinate chicks for a backyard flock. What about chicks you order through feed stores, are they vaccinated?? I have no idea if my chicks have ever been vaccinated since 1993. I have ordered 3 times through hatcheries, the last time in 1998 and I don't remember them offering vaccinations back then. Since then they have come from feed stores (ordered ahead of time with no option of vaccination stated). I am getting bantams chicks from a SQ breeder in May, again no mention of vaccinations etc. Does the NPIP require the Marek's vaccine? Good info, but now I am totally confused.
 
I'm a bit confused too Cindy, I'm getting babies in 2 weeks and I opted for the Marek's vac. I had gotten pullets from this company 2 yrs ago, and they were vaccinated and they are very healthy birds....so I went for it. Sometimes TOO MUCH info can be confusing, I've learned that if you take some time and do the homework you'll be OK.

Now, when it comes to medicated feed or not, that's where I'm confused.
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I went in on an order of chicks (106 total) and we opted not to have them vaccinated at the hatchery because of the added cost with so many chicks. This week I ordered the vaccines myself and will vaccinate them when they arrive in 3 weeks. I now have the vaccines in my fridge in a cooler, one for Mareks, one for Newcastle, and I'll give medicated feed that will cover the coccidosis. I figure this is cheap insurance. I can vaccinate all of them in no time. Hopefully now whatever may occur will be simple to Dx and treat.
 
Here is a link to the preventative health post I mentioned earlier.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=143306

I think the consensus is that vaccinating can give you peace of mind.
For those people working with stock hatched on their own farms and in an organic community, vaccinations may not provide a peace of mind.
Remember that aviculturists that work with rare and endangered pheasants, junglefowl and peafowl, never vaccinate. A pair of Green Junglefowl may cost upwards of six hundred dollars. They are very susceptible to Mareks. Green Junglefowl chicks are so delicate, to handle them and vaccinate them would be too large a risk. For this reason, we use preventative methods and it is really important that everyone raising birds comprehend how they can end the cycle of disease and infection and this will require refining your husbandry techniques.
When you improve your methods will you save lots of money and not end up creating the disease vector in your flocks to begin with.
 

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