geese cross breeds Embden x Landes possibility

[Eric Rosario]

Hello, thank you for tips again. As I've seen the gosling is with other goslings other types of geese and with other ducklings, they are separating them once they are adult per species. We might not need it in general as we are going to have embden male and female but if the gosling is a female we could have a replacement sooner for the older emden.
btw are emden loud or calm, aggressive, protective? mine landes are a bit loud.
we want to buy, borrow or maybe create some cage construct that fit the car and can hold safely all the animals not sure how big it should be i can only guess and rather prepare as big as possible.
Beek tieing was just an idea that i was given but i found it bad, we saw it actually used it on ganders that were slaughtered and we had to tie their beeks when we wanted to catch them as they were very aggressive. but for animal you would like to keep for further breeding i found it cruel too, you are right. i dont like animals to suffer at all.

Usually ppl ask me what am I supppose to do with all those animals? you know, if we come to this position then i can tell. As we had eggs in incubator several times and only few hatched, that we were able to keep for our own purpose.

Embden x Landes could be different size colour we will see, Embden x Embden are pure Embden. I believe we will be able to see the difference and possibly mark them when they hatch and if we have to many of 'em I offer the goslings for sale in like one month of age. I would like to enjoy their first days when they are cute and fluffy and on the other side most keepers don't want too young animals as they might die.
Landes are able to lay much more eggs and you should collect and put 'em to the incubator and once they hatch take care of them as they are vulnerable. If they hatch under the goose she is able to take care of them without any issues, our Landes Ladies raise the two goslings nicely.
Emdens are rare here i've seen only ONCE in one year on the sale these geese and their cross can be sold too i believe. for your imagination regular goose (medium size) cost alive 25 Euro (about 28 USD) and Tolouse, Kholmogory, Emden cost 80-100 Eur alive

 

[servpolice]

Embden geese are loud when they want to be but it's usually the males when they get excited etc.

Anything should do as long as the geese have grip and sit comfortably.

Yeah I do the same with my African goslings where I keep them for a month and sell them after so people won't have any sick or dead goslings.

I also pick the best looking goslings for my breeding which I will be able to see after a month of growth.

I live in Ireland and Embden or commercial white geese are the most common breed here. Embden goslings are €8 each.

Adults are about €20-30 each.

I saw a pair of Buff Toulouse for sale for 300 per pair and that's quite expensive.

Never seen Kholmogory for sale in Ireland but I'm sure they would be pricey too.

Brown African geese go for €80 per goose. The Buff African for €100 each.

 

[servpolice]

These are a few crosses I had in the past:

This female is a cross between a Brown African and a White Chinese

Left: Brown AfricanXEmbden (Female)
Right: Brown AfricanXBrown Chinese (Male)

The mother of this gander seen in the picture below was a Chinese/Embden/Greylag and the father was a Brown African

Right: Brown AfricanXEmbden (Male)
Left: Brown ChineseXGreylag/Embden (Female)

Roman TuftedXGreylag (Female).

Brown Chinese/GreylagXToulouse
(Female)

Brown AfricanXEmbden (Male)

Sibling to the male above this pic but different mothers. Brown AfricanXEmbden (Female)

Brown AfricanXEmbden. All siblings with the same parents.

All the Brown are females and white/Lavender are males.

This cross will show similar results to your EmbdenXLandes in the future with Brown Females and white or Lavender males.

 

[Eric Rosario]

Amazing pictures thank you a lot, I'm finding it more interesting if there is a larger variety of babies born in each specie of animals we keep otherwise it might be boring.
like this year we hatched and raised only white pekin ducks, landes geese. if we continue with these parents the result is the same, if we change something we can have different result.
I was thinking about mixing african to our breed or kholmogory as I can say the kholmogory is the most common from Embden, Tolouse, African large breeds here. it cost 100 eur per live adult. but i do like more the embden as they have the regular goose look without the knob on the head and the beard they look elegant other are visible like 1x per several months
As the history of kholmogory goes back that they are crossed from african/chineese with standard goose maybe some big breed they are mixed hybrid mix breed, as they were merged it could be split again just enough to mix khomogory with maybe embden or landes etc. and then cross their offspring together to get the results.

Will see if the embdens are going to be louder than my landes, they are now 3 left alone, other geese are gone, they noise is the same as when they were 11 there so we know who was the loudest.

and how about taming, do you think that these 2y and 6y can get used to us a bit? i'm able to tame one of my landes females and pet her, two otherse it was possible during winter too, they are coming close to us but only one is allowing us to pet her nearly all the time.

 

[servpolice]

Kholmogory is rare and I always wanted them. I'm suprised that you have kholmogory there.

Every domestic goose breed was crossbred to their breed perfection. Every goose breed was cross breed before.

Food is the best way to get them tame. And the fact that you have tame geese already will help them come by.

New geese in a new territory will be very shy at first and after 2 weeks they can start being tamed. Geese don't like when you walk towards them or walk fast so a slow sideways approach with food while crouching down everyday should get them to know you and start getting tame. Talking with them so they can recognise your voice also helps.

 

[Eric Rosario]

I will try to be patient with them of course I hope they will show same amount of patience to us.
Landes geese i have are with us from their first days so they are really used to us and as we had no shed and fence for them outside we kept them inside of the older house on our yard taking them out to a small fence and then back again. As I was working afternoon only I woke up at the morning taking the goslings out and before work putting them back again to the house to keep them safe. As they were like 2-3 weeks old they broke the fence it was made from cardboard actually and were running around the room in that old house. We tried to release them outside of the house on their own letting them freely forage on the grass keeping eyes on them. They were really good, when i have disappeared from their sight they were screaming a bit and when they saw me several meters away they all started to run toward me and started to forage around me.
So regular morning was like wake up at 6:00 as it was summer, going out from our house to the old house, opening the door and they heared me incoming they were staying at the door of their room, i just slightly opened the door they were pushing themselves out one by one without any discussion directly through the coridor to the grass outside they knew exactly the path. they got water outside of course. They followed me through the garden and never run away. and they learned the signal and timing 11:30 they are going back to the house, i just got the broom to my hand raising it up they all gathered and went to the house without any issues. if had no broom in my hand they were not moving to the house. later even happened that their gathered on their own at the time to get inside. they were wondering and bit confused when it was weekend and i was not working.
later we finished the fence on our garden putting them over there together with ducks that joined them before. In Autumn our vegetable garden was after season and not really split to parts so all of 'em got about 50 m long garden without any obstacle so they were running around with spreaded wings. that was beautifull unfortnuately i had no video records of it. now the yard is split and they are not allowed to these parts anymore.
they are now at the back of our garden in the orchard with some ducks.
It was funny and nice keeping them everyday but in long term could be exhausting. There was the one lighter goose everyone told me it's a gander and we kept it as gander and it's a female i posted the pictures before. so she was my favourite from the start. and two others became during autumn and winter when they suddenly approaced letting pet themselves.
their two goslings were scared all the time, as i had no physical contact with them, they just followed the mothers never letting us to tame them. we have removed them with the other young geese keeping only the 3 ladies awaiting the embdens.
I just wanted to share some of my memories with you i suppose you like geese too
at least you will know that as i would like to mix breeds as you did but i will have hard time to remove any of these 3 landes females as i made some connection to them.
I know mixing landes x emden goslings would give us different offspring as the geese and ganders would carry both landes and emden genes and recessive genes could merge resulting in different results but that would mean removing the original emden gander at least and posibly removing the females too making space for the new ones.

 

[Eric Rosario]

Anything should do as long as the geese have grip and sit comfortably.

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how big cage should be used for an adult emden goose, as i measured the car and the how big the goose could be I've ordered 64 × 54 × 48cm (54 is height) trip should be like 90 minutes not longer. I've ordered two cages so we can transport both male and female separately. they could sit down and stay calm during the transport.
the younger gosling and we would like to order a sasex duck should fit to smaller transport box maybe but for the adults we wanted to have cage.

 

[servpolice]

Goslings that aren't hand raised by people will find it hard to have a tight bond whereas hand raised goslings can be tamer than a dog!

It would be hard to give up your geese but you'll make the right choice of which you want to keep in the end

I had to do it too! It was hard but in the end it was the right move.

As long as they can move around a bit.

Since its only 90 minutes you can put them in a cage where they can't stand but still able to have their neck up. If they stand and you drive they wobble and get injured.

It's better to have a wider cage rather than higher. The car window will need to be open a lot too because they will get warm fast and the car windows will fog up if closed.

 

[Eric Rosario]

you did remove your favourite goose for some other that better fit to your breeding plans? as this might be my case in future too.
you know, i originally planed to have mix of gees like: one emden goose, one tolouse, one african, one kholmogory and an emden gander possibly. To mix these big breeds but and slowly replace them with cross breeds but now we have these 3 i hope those emdens will make us some good results as you wrote before. I'm really looking forward to them.
from all those big breeds only emden body features looks nicely to me, the knob and the beard is not that nice that's why emden. we've seen tolouse and kholmogory with emdens at the farmer with our own eyes, they are amazing, much bigger than our geese. This farmer offered us the emdens

 

[Eric Rosario]

we got the cages, they should fit one per each, and based on my today's call agreement we are taking only the goose and the gander this weekend. we have discussed saxony duck for my breeds and the only alive gosling from the embdens but it is separate from the parents so it could be more trouble than use to mix them all together with our landes ladies.
so they will be terified as they will get to new unknown place with a new human, we think to make them separate enclosure but to see the landes geese and the ducks we have as they should be all together later, and as we have several young ducks they could be fataly injured by such a big geese i'm afraid. but they will need to get used to them.