Grau-Fee Color Inquiry

[CiaBia]

I'm working on isolating my Grau-Fee lines, with the addition of the tuxedo gene. I've been expanding my numbers quite a bit these last couple months and have had some interesting birds pop up. I've been breeding for white chins/beards (split for the tuxedo gene if I'm not mistaken?), and I've had a couple of my latest offspring feather out with a noticeable brown 'leakage' compared to others that are clearly grey slate. Should these leaky ones be taken out of my breeding program, or do they just carry another color gene that sets them apart? I have both male and female showing the excess brown, so I don't believe it's gender related.

1. Leaky browns -



2. Compared to the grey slate ones -



And some bonus photos, are these silver tibetan/rosetta or something else at play? I do have roux pop up on occasion. Currently penned with my silvers



I'm hoping to sell hatching eggs from my Grau-Fee very soon, and want to make sure I am using my highest quality stock. I have about 20 Grau-Fee currently, most of them having white beards with several incomplete tux in the mix as well. If you need more pictures from a different angle let me know and I will be happy to supply them. Thank you all in advance!!

 

[Kale the Quail]

I'm working on isolating my Grau-Fee lines, with the addition of the tuxedo gene. I've been expanding my numbers quite a bit these last couple months and have had some interesting birds pop up. I've been breeding for white chins/beards (split for the tuxedo gene if I'm not mistaken?), and I've had a couple of my latest offspring feather out with a noticeable brown 'leakage' compared to others that are clearly grey slate. Should these leaky ones be taken out of my breeding program, or do they just carry another color gene that sets them apart? I have both male and female showing the excess brown, so I don't believe it's gender related.

1. Leaky browns -

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2. Compared to the grey slate ones -

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And some bonus photos, are these silver tibetan/rosetta or something else at play? I do have roux pop up on occasion. Currently penned with my silvers

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I'm hoping to sell hatching eggs from my Grau-Fee very soon, and want to make sure I am using my highest quality stock. I have about 20 Grau-Fee currently, most of them having white beards with several incomplete tux in the mix as well. If you need more pictures from a different angle let me know and I will be happy to supply them. Thank you all in advance!!

I know nothing about Grau fee, but those are really pretty

 

[CiaBia]

I know nothing about Grau fee, but those are really pretty

Thank you so much! When I first starting hatching them I had no clue what they were. There's SO many different colors I can't keep up

 

[Kale the Quail]

Thank you so much! When I first starting hatching them I had no clue what they were. There's SO many different colors I can't keep up

Yeah, the only ones I've ever had are rosettas, tibetans, tuxedos, italians, Texas A&M, Pharaoh, and SSC. no grau fees, no fawn...

 

[CiaBia]

Yeah, the only ones I've ever had are rosettas, tibetans, tuxedos, italians, Texas A&M, Pharaoh, and SSC. no grau fees, no fawn...

If you don’t mind me asking, do you breed silver x silver or silver back to pharaoh? I’ve heard SO many conflicting things about them I’m stumped. I have some very light silvers (platinums?) and I’m wondering who I should pair them with. I’ve got all my silvers together at the moment but I’m not hatching any eggs from them.

 

[Kale the Quail]

If you don’t mind me asking, do you breed silver x silver or silver back to pharaoh? I’ve heard SO many conflicting things about them I’m stumped. I have some very light silvers (platinums?) and I’m wondering who I should pair them with. I’ve got all my silvers together at the moment but I’m not hatching any eggs from them.

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like I said, I know nothing about genetics and I hatched my SSC from eggs that I got from someone else. So I have no idea how she came around. I just hatched eggs not knowing what pattern I would get. sorry. I think @muddy75 should know more.

 

[CiaBia]

like I said, I know nothing about genetics and I hatched my SSC from eggs that I got from someone else. So I have no idea how she came around. I just hatched eggs not knowing what pattern I would get. sorry. I think @muddy75 should know more.

Ohh no worries, I must of misunderstood then. Thank you so much for the input nonetheless!

 

[Ravenlover]

There are a few grau fae or fee or how u spell it on peaple on here

 

[Fenrisulfr]

Silver has a lethal factor, homozygotous. It has been reduce by breeding in foreign genes, but it is likely to accure again, if you are breeding too long silver with silver.

Grau Fee is Tibetan + Fee dilution.
I am figuring out at the moment, which dilution gene is in fact responsible for Fees.

The genes for Tuxedos are 4 different genes, all recessive.
White beard/bib, -breast, -primary wing feathers and -head.
How the final appearance is depends on which genes are active (double allele) and also individual intensity.

The bonus photos is probably Silver and Tibetan, both incomplete dominant, so they mix ... here is one of my Silver/Rosetta mixes:

 

[Ted_Harrell]

I only have the standard brown cotournix, so seeing all these beautiful colors gives me something to do next year. Good luck...