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BEAUTIFUL!!!Finally finished our front door....now for the rest of the house....
Husband did the wood, kids made the iron work, and I, the glass.
Peahen checking out that guy in the window
Of the six SPR's that I hatched two months ago, two were tiny and dark, and four were light and large. In the beginning, I thought the smallness was because they had been shrink wrapped so bad. After a week or so, the breeder told me that she noticed that the girls were often a darker color (not fool proof. Not claimng sex links) It was not until yesterday that I noticed that I might have a third girl. I only got a quick look at her before the duckling pair ran off with the chicks. Later on, when the breeder brought the eggs, she confirmed that I do have three girls and three boys. She saw them just two weeks ago, and even she could not tell then. Is very clear now finally.
Unfortunately, I have not seen any of the boys without brown leakage. Only now are they old enough for me to pay any actual attention to them as breeding stock. So, these eggs should provide some more boys for me to choose from. LOL! I am fairly sure that I will have boys, I just mean good looking boys.
Awe!!!!
The chicks are cute too. Does the breeder specialize in them?
SweetFinally finished our front door....now for the rest of the house.... Husband did the wood, kids made the iron work, and I, the glass.
Peahen checking out that guy in the window
Whoa! How did she take care of them all?!That's too early for them to start singing.
I hatched Silver Penciled Rocks here but they didn't do well. The problem was the breeder and my incubator.
Good plan.
Did I tell you I once put 34 chicks with a broody hen in the winter?
Change the feed and let her finish incubating and brood. Saves time and electricity. Not to mention that you'll have to break her from being broody. You'll get eggs from her sooner if you just let her keep them.
Only in pictures, and that didn't really say anything.
But still little? That sounds cute!
Nice!Finally finished our front door....now for the rest of the house....
Husband did the wood, kids made the iron work, and I, the glass.
Peahen checking out that guy in the window
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hi everyone, sorry I haven't been on much, But I have been super busy to keep up with this thread, Horse show season is super busy in july!
I have a serama cockerel for sale, I am not NPIP but Local Pickup is needed. He is super nice and sweet, So he would be a great kids chicken!https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1119694/show-quality-serama-cockerel
Anything super important that I missed?
I have a serama cockerel for sale, I am not NPIP but Local Pickup is needed. He is super nice and sweet, So he would be a great kids chicken!https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1119694/show-quality-serama-cockerel
Anything super important that I missed?
What breed is this?
Whoa! How did she take care of them all?!
Only in pictures, and that didn't really say anything.
But still little? That sounds cute!
Nice!
OEGB
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Hi!
Cool! I LOVE those! I'm afraid to get bantams b/c they might be taken by a hawk, but I so so wish I could have one! Someday ...
My banties are great at avoiding hawks. Better than my clumsy LF, actually! Man those boogers are fast!
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Sunday, March 13, 2011
Are My Ducklings' Leg Problems Due to a Niacin Deficiency?
Originally posted by John Metzer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010 @ 03:22 PM
Niacin is a critical vitamin required for the correct development of ducklings and goslings. In fact, waterfowl have a higher requirement for niacin (also called nicotinic acid) than chickens. Niacin is formed from the amino acid tryptophan and waterfowl do not synthesize niacin well from tryptophan.
What do the birds look like if there is a niacin deficiency? If there is a lack of niacin in their feed, initially some birds are reluctant to move about. Eventually their hocks swell and their legs develop a bowed shape. It becomes very difficult for them to move about and they do not gain weight or thrive. In young birds you will see problems within several days if they do not have adequate niacin. If they remain on a low niacin diet, death may occur within two to three weeks as it is just too painful for the birds to move to eat and drink.
A series of pictures from the book, Nutrition and Management of Ducks, with permission of the authors, showing a normal duckling (A) and ducklings (B,C,D) that were fed Niacin deficient diets.
How can this happen? If you are not using a balanced chick starter designed for broiler chicks or game birds, you may have problems. If you are using a chick starter developed exclusively for laying chickens, it probably does not have enough niacin. Do not make their diet exclusively whole grains, like Chicken Scratch. On very rare occasions, the lack of niacin could be from a mistake at the feed mill.
So how much niacin do waterfowl require? It should be at least 55 parts per million (ppm). This is the same as 55mg per kilogram of feed or 55mg per 2.2 pounds of feed. Oftentimes this is not on the label but if you contact the manufacturer of the feed, they should tell you the minimum guaranteed level in the feed. You can go to our website for a complete list of waterfowl nutrientrequirements.
A bottle of Niacin tablets, 500 mgs per tablet.
How can I supplement niacin? Niacin can be easily purchased at a nutrition or drug store. Typically the pills contain 500 mgs of niacin per tablet. Assuming a duck is eating about .35 lbs per day (this is how much a Pekin is eating at about 3 -4 weeks of age) , they need 10 milligrams (mgs) of niacin a day. So, theoretically, one pill has enough niacin for 50 ducks. But if you are grinding up a pill and spreading it over pelleted feed, much of it will sift to the bottom and not be consumed. Add a little water to the feed and it will “stick” to the pellets.
An alternative is to add it to their drinking water (assuming they have no swimming water). If they drink 100% of the water you give them, you only need to add one 500 mg tablet to every 8 gallons of water. But we both know that does not happen. If you think they are wasting half their water, then add one 500 mg tablet to only four gallons of water. For your own calculations, go to the table on our website on daily feed and water consumption of ducklings.
Are there alternatives to pure Niacin? If you are concerned with the possibility that other vitamins may be missing, too, you can purchase Vitamin B liquid supplements. The GNC product I found had 20 mg of niacin per dropper full. This is enough for two ducks that are 3-4 weeks old. This might be the best way to administer niacin if your birds are exhibiting leg problems. By administering the niacin to each bird, you will know they are getting the required niacin.
A feed ingredient that is rich in niacin is dried brewers yeast. There is about 5mg niacin per 15 grams (one tablespoon) of human grade brewers yeast. Livestock grade brewers yeast is not as concentrated. There is only about 1.5 grams niacin for each tablespoon of livestock grade brewers yeast.
If you are not sure if your problem is due to inadequate niacin, give them some sort of additional niacin as soon as possible. You will not harm them if you give them too much niacin. And if they quickly recover, you know you found the problem.
What if only a few of my birds have leg problems? Variability within a flock is normal. Each bird varies on how well it forms niacin from tryptophan, either due to genetics or the different microflora in their gut. It would not be unusual to have a single flock of birds, with some exhibiting a niacin deficiency and others walking perfectly normally - but all eating the same feed.
Glory, a duck that was rescued by Majestic Waterfowl Sanctuary, arrived with leg problems due to a niacin deficient diet.
How long does it take for recovery? Except for the extreme cases such as the picture above, improvement is normally seen within several days and there can be complete recovery. But this requires adequate niacin within 24 hours of the first sign of a problem.
http://metzerfarms.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-my-ducklings-leg-problems-due-to.html
Sunday, March 13, 2011
Are My Ducklings' Leg Problems Due to a Niacin Deficiency?
Originally posted by John Metzer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010 @ 03:22 PM
Niacin is a critical vitamin required for the correct development of ducklings and goslings. In fact, waterfowl have a higher requirement for niacin (also called nicotinic acid) than chickens. Niacin is formed from the amino acid tryptophan and waterfowl do not synthesize niacin well from tryptophan.
What do the birds look like if there is a niacin deficiency? If there is a lack of niacin in their feed, initially some birds are reluctant to move about. Eventually their hocks swell and their legs develop a bowed shape. It becomes very difficult for them to move about and they do not gain weight or thrive. In young birds you will see problems within several days if they do not have adequate niacin. If they remain on a low niacin diet, death may occur within two to three weeks as it is just too painful for the birds to move to eat and drink.
A series of pictures from the book, Nutrition and Management of Ducks, with permission of the authors, showing a normal duckling (A) and ducklings (B,C,D) that were fed Niacin deficient diets.
How can this happen? If you are not using a balanced chick starter designed for broiler chicks or game birds, you may have problems. If you are using a chick starter developed exclusively for laying chickens, it probably does not have enough niacin. Do not make their diet exclusively whole grains, like Chicken Scratch. On very rare occasions, the lack of niacin could be from a mistake at the feed mill.
So how much niacin do waterfowl require? It should be at least 55 parts per million (ppm). This is the same as 55mg per kilogram of feed or 55mg per 2.2 pounds of feed. Oftentimes this is not on the label but if you contact the manufacturer of the feed, they should tell you the minimum guaranteed level in the feed. You can go to our website for a complete list of waterfowl nutrientrequirements.
A bottle of Niacin tablets, 500 mgs per tablet.
How can I supplement niacin? Niacin can be easily purchased at a nutrition or drug store. Typically the pills contain 500 mgs of niacin per tablet. Assuming a duck is eating about .35 lbs per day (this is how much a Pekin is eating at about 3 -4 weeks of age) , they need 10 milligrams (mgs) of niacin a day. So, theoretically, one pill has enough niacin for 50 ducks. But if you are grinding up a pill and spreading it over pelleted feed, much of it will sift to the bottom and not be consumed. Add a little water to the feed and it will “stick” to the pellets.
An alternative is to add it to their drinking water (assuming they have no swimming water). If they drink 100% of the water you give them, you only need to add one 500 mg tablet to every 8 gallons of water. But we both know that does not happen. If you think they are wasting half their water, then add one 500 mg tablet to only four gallons of water. For your own calculations, go to the table on our website on daily feed and water consumption of ducklings.
Two broiler chicks, the one on the left was fed a niacin deficient diet.
Photo courtesy of DSM Nutritional Products.
Photo courtesy of DSM Nutritional Products.
Are there alternatives to pure Niacin? If you are concerned with the possibility that other vitamins may be missing, too, you can purchase Vitamin B liquid supplements. The GNC product I found had 20 mg of niacin per dropper full. This is enough for two ducks that are 3-4 weeks old. This might be the best way to administer niacin if your birds are exhibiting leg problems. By administering the niacin to each bird, you will know they are getting the required niacin.
A feed ingredient that is rich in niacin is dried brewers yeast. There is about 5mg niacin per 15 grams (one tablespoon) of human grade brewers yeast. Livestock grade brewers yeast is not as concentrated. There is only about 1.5 grams niacin for each tablespoon of livestock grade brewers yeast.
If you are not sure if your problem is due to inadequate niacin, give them some sort of additional niacin as soon as possible. You will not harm them if you give them too much niacin. And if they quickly recover, you know you found the problem.
What if only a few of my birds have leg problems? Variability within a flock is normal. Each bird varies on how well it forms niacin from tryptophan, either due to genetics or the different microflora in their gut. It would not be unusual to have a single flock of birds, with some exhibiting a niacin deficiency and others walking perfectly normally - but all eating the same feed.
Glory, a duck that was rescued by Majestic Waterfowl Sanctuary, arrived with leg problems due to a niacin deficient diet.
How long does it take for recovery? Except for the extreme cases such as the picture above, improvement is normally seen within several days and there can be complete recovery. But this requires adequate niacin within 24 hours of the first sign of a problem.
http://metzerfarms.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-my-ducklings-leg-problems-due-to.html
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