International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Red Banks]

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Thanks Chooks man, that is why his name is Antonio. You picked him from the start.

 

[Chooks man]

Thanks Chooks man, that is why his name is Antonio. You picked him from the start.

Hi RedBank you have a chgance to breed a pure BCM . plus a Golden Cuckoo . plus a Silver cuckoo ,plus a Birchen marans from Antonio plus Gabby and one of the best cuckoo hens.

all the genetic make up you need is within your chooks .just a little work and time ( you don t have to go mad on hatching a million chicks).
is fun and rewarding in the end of 4to 5 years we will have your own strain and line bred from your chooks .

you can t stay just with a BCM is not exiting .

you should have 2 silver strain and 2 copper/golden strain who compliment each other and will give you a chose of colors to look at.

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

Hi RedBank you have a chgance to breed a pure BCM . plus a Golden Cuckoo . plus a Silver cuckoo ,plus a Birchen marans from Antonio plus Gabby and one of the best cuckoo hens.

all the genetic make up you need is within your chooks .just a little work and time ( you don t have to go mad on hatching a million chicks).
is fun and rewarding in the end of 4to 5 years we will have your own strain and line bred from your chooks .

you can t stay just with a BCM is not exiting .

you should have 2 silver strain and 2 copper/golden strain who compliment each other and will give you a chose of colors to look at.

chooks man

can you explain us what chickens to breed to get golden cuckoo and birchen marans? after how many generations will they breed true (if at all)?

 

[Chooks man]

can you explain us what chickens to breed to get golden cuckoo and birchen marans? after how many generations will they breed true (if at all)?

Yeah Chickengr I ll explain to you to to recreate Silver Cuckoo / Golden cuckoo /Birchen marans from 1 BCM rooster .1 BCM hen and 1 Silver cuckoo hen.

with this trio we can recreate what we want without adding any thing to them for the first 5 years.

YEAR 1 = mate the BCM rooster to the silver cuckoo hen and a BC hen = hatch about 25 chicks from each pair as F1 progeny
BC X BC = 100% BCM =choose the good 1 cockerels and 3 pullets
BC rooster X Silver cuckoo hen = F1 progeny all the pullets are BCM and a cockerels are Gold/Silver Dark bared cuckoo . we select a best cockerel and 3 best pullets.

YEAR2 ( next year ).
BCM = mate the pullet to they sire to produce inbred line 75% of the sire genes .F2 BCPure
BCM = we mate the cockerel we kept with his Dam to produce 75% inbred Dam line .F2 BCPure Pullet
F1 Hybrid = we mate the best Gold/Silver cockerel we kept with his sister F1 BCopper = we get F2 very interesting progeny .
this F2 progeny will have 12.5% silver cuckoo pullets we keep the best 3 pullets. they are F2 SC
12.5% Golden cuckoo pullets.we keep the best 3 pullets. F2 GC
12.5% Birchen pullets .we keep the best 3 pullets.F2 Birchen
12.5% Black copper pullets. we don t keep those one .
Cockerels = 12. 5% impure Silver/Golen cuckoo . we keep the best cockerel he ll be F2 SC
12.5% golden cuckoo .we keep the best cockerel . he ll be F2 GC
12.5% Black copper .we don t keep those one .
12.5% impure silver/Golden Birchen. we keep the best cockerel . he ll be F2 Birchen.

YEAR 3 = very exiting year the start of line breeding;
BCM = Cockerel line we mate the Sire ( who is a grand sire now) to his grand daughter F2 BCPure =to produce F3 pure Cockerels We don t keep the pullets this time only the best cockerel BCPure F3
BCM = Pullets line we mate the Dam ( who is a grand Dam now) ho her grand son F2 BCPure Pullet = we produce F3 pure pullets We don t keep the cockerels this time only the best 3 pullets F3 BC pure Pullets
HYBRID=
SC = we mate the F2 SC pullets to SC impure Silver/Golden cockerel - to produce F3 SC 25% will be pure Silver cuckoo can breed true .
GC = we Mate the F2 GC to a Black copper hen = F3 50% BC and 50% Golden cuckoo
GC = we can mate the F2 GC pullets to A BC rooster = F3 50% each
Birchen = we mate F2 Birchen pullets to F2 impure Silver/Golden Birchen cokerel = F3 50% pure Birchen they breed true from now on

YEAR 4 =
we do the final crossing to establish the traits .
we mate the F3 Silver Cuckoo between them selves to produce F4, for one more time and we see if we need to outcross them ot=r keeping them pure
We mate the Golden cuckoo between them selves to produce F4.
Birchen We mate them together to produce F4 pure Birchen .

YEAR 5 = We ll have a Black copper marans strain
We ll have a Silver Cuckoo Marans strain
We ll have a Golden Cuckoo Maran strain
We ll have a Birchen Marans strain

EST VOILA very simple .study work . 25 chicks minimum of each cross to be on the safe side .
we can move forward any cross we like OR get ready of the cross we don t like .

Hope this information we help some body to recreate new strain rather than waiting for some body else to breed them or import them from France they aren t any of this exotic strain in France only Monique and a Syndicat have them ( the Golden Cuckoo only Monique left )

I m on YEAR 3 = that why I have a lot colorful chooks they are F2 /F3 / and pure

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

today raining days all the chooks stayed in ,a good chance to worm them . I gave them Piperazime 80 ml to 10.5 l for 100 bird almost 100 ml of medicated water by adult chooks .

tooks them about 5 hours to finish all the medicated water . hens and roosters.

the hens are given a new feed from last week start . SHOWBIRD BREEDER MP @ 17 % protein plus a grain mix as a treat in the morning went I open the coop to encourage them to go out

the rooster are given 2 type of grains mixed .1 @ 12 % protein the other @ 15% protein plus a cracked Corn .

tomorrow I m going a give them GOD LIVE OIL mix in they drinking water good for them as a vitamin boost for 5 days.

they start to look good now and laying more 34 /36 egg now better size and color.

I lost 2 more hens one last year breeder Black hen the other a F2 Silver wheaten still have one Cream leg bar not doing well .

the rest are healthy as they can bee.

chooks man

 

[Braxton Brigade]

I was gone and now I have returned!

I too am preoccupied with school but life goes on and my birds are growing and coloring up a lot as of lately.

My Marans that I hatched are now 27 weeks old (6 months) and have changed so much in the last few weeks.

I feel the need to do a proper photo update, hope you guys are ready to see them.

 

[Red Banks]

I was gone and now I have returned!

I too am preoccupied with school but life goes on and my birds are growing and coloring up a lot as of lately.

My Marans that I hatched are now 27 weeks old (6 months) and have changed so much in the last few weeks.

I feel the need to do a proper photo update, hope you guys are ready to see them.

Can't wait to see them!

 

[Braxton Brigade]

This is my guy at 12ish weeks old, not much to see.


Him again at 19 weeks, looking much less pitiful.

And here he is now, at 27 weeks old keeping a watch on his ladies.

He has a halo, poor tail structure and a bad face.

He was the best looking of 5, I most likely won't breed him for Marans anytime soon.

He is a dad to some lovely olive egger chicks though.

 

[Chooks man]

This is my guy at 12ish weeks old, not much to see.


Him again at 19 weeks, looking much less pitiful.

And here he is now, at 27 weeks old keeping a watch on his ladies.

He has a halo, poor tail structure and a bad face.

He was the best looking of 5, I most likely won't breed him for Marans anytime soon.

He is a dad to some lovely olive egger chicks though.

This is my guy at 12ish weeks old, not much to see.


Him again at 19 weeks, looking much less pitiful.

And here he is now, at 27 weeks old keeping a watch on his ladies.

He has a halo, poor tail structure and a bad face.

He was the best looking of 5, I most likely won't breed him for Marans anytime soon.

He is a dad to some lovely olive egger chicks though.

you are so wrong about him . he is a hand some boy except his comb and need more color on his lancet and a little bit on the shoulder.

I tell you what I like about him and he will pass it down to his progeny .is his posture bang on the money . strait legs .he carries him self well .

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

This is my guy at 12ish weeks old, not much to see.


Him again at 19 weeks, looking much less pitiful.

And here he is now, at 27 weeks old keeping a watch on his ladies.

He has a halo, poor tail structure and a bad face.

He was the best looking of 5, I most likely won't breed him for Marans anytime soon.

He is a dad to some lovely olive egger chicks though.

I have been studying these pictures and I like him.

I love how he carries his head.
Nice long back.
Carries his tail at the right angle.
He has filled out in the body.
I like his face very much.
Nice feathering on his legs and I can see the pink showing thru.
I think he is quite the handsome fellow.
He could use more copper.
Dark ear tuft.
I can't see his eye too clearly but it looks like the right color.
How wide is he in the rear.
We are all too hard on our own birds.
More pictures please from the top down and front/rear.