LA-200 DOSING orally

[Jandsloch]

Background...just lost a 2 month old spitzhauben last night. I have a mixed age flock and some Cornish cross. The meaties literally were sleeping in the poop board face first in poop. I had tried every way possible to stop this to no avail. Long story short they all have become sick (lost 2 have them isolated) with a resp. Infection of some sort. They go this evening to butcher. One of my spitzhaubens started sneezing and gasping for air yesterday. I isolated her, her hatch mate and a very tiny 5 month old welsummer who despite all odds is still alive. I isolated them all together as I assumed since they spend all day every day together they too were exposed. And I was correct the other spitzhauben started sneezing last night Shortly after I lost the other. I have tetracycline in water but not sure it’s enough I wanted to grab something I can actually administer and know they are getting enough. From a poultry med website it says 1/2 to 1/4 cc (inject) then again 2-4 days...for orally it said just administer more, more often. So I assume this dose is for a full size chicken which they aren’t. They are about a lb, lb and a half (plan to weigh before administering. I CANNOT stomach using a needle and was hoping to find an actual oral dose by weight. Thank you in advance for any info you may have.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

What is the disease you are treating?

 

[Jandsloch]

It’s respiratory not sure what exactly it is. It starts as a sneeze then turns to gasping for air and they are wheezing. Here is the dosing listed on the site as well as uses as its “broad” and this will treat the major like mg or Coryz. It’s a ditch effort to help them.

 

[Eggcessive]

It would be good to keep the body cold and send it in to your state poultry lab for a encropsy. Then you would know exactly what disease they have. You could consult your vet or Zoologix.com to get some swabs tested as well. LA 200 is an injectable oxytetracycline that is meant to be injected once every 3 days. It is for cattle. If used in chickens it would probably only treat MG and possibly coryza, but not other respiratory viruses or fungal infections. Antibiotics won’t cure respiratory diseases; most are chronic and last for life, making them carriers as well.

 

[Jandsloch]

It would be good to keep the body cold and send it in to your state poultry lab for a encropsy. Then you would know exactly what disease they have. You could consult your vet or Zoologix.com to get some swabs tested as well. LA 200 is an injectable oxytetracycline that is meant to be injected once every 3 days. It is for cattle. If used in chickens it would probably only treat MG and possibly coryza, but not other respiratory viruses or fungal infections. Antibiotics won’t cure respiratory diseases; most are chronic and last for life, making them carriers as well.

No vet near me too see poultry. it can be given orally the doses vary I’ve seen multiple sites including this one give 1cc orally and inject 1cc. Just looking to see if someone knows of an actual oral dose. There are no antibiotics meant for chickens as they aren’t approved. I don’t sell eggs and have no allergy to any antibiotic. There are plenty that administer antibiotics to their chickens. The symptoms are leaning to mg which can be treated but yes not cured. I am looking to help these 2 so perhaps they may not get as sick or even lose their lives.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

It could just as easily be viral, fungal or even protozoal, none of which will be helped by antibiotics.
IMHO, when you are losing multiple birds and have others with similar symptoms, it is time to have a necropsy and lab diagnosis so you don't waste more time, find out exactly what is moving through your buildings and have a plan forward you can be confident in.

There are at least three poultry diagnostic labs in PA.

Pennsylvania State University
Animal Diagnostic Laboratory
Wiley Ln
University Park, Pennsylvania 16802
Phone: 814-863-0837

Pennsylvania Veterinary Laboratory
Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture
2305 N Cameron Street
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110-9405
Phone: 717-787-8808

University of Pennsylvania
School of Vet Med,
New Bolton Center PADLS
382 West Street Rd
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania 19348-1692
Phone: 610-444-5800

If you call them, they'll send you a FedEx label for shipping.

 

[Jandsloch]

It could just as easily be viral, fungal or even protozoal, none of which will be helped by antibiotics.
IMHO, when you are losing multiple birds and have others with similar symptoms, it is time to have a necropsy and lab diagnosis so you don't waste more time, find out exactly what is moving through your buildings and have a plan forward you can be confident in.

There are at least three poultry diagnostic labs in PA.

Pennsylvania State University
Animal Diagnostic Laboratory
Wiley Ln
University Park, Pennsylvania 16802
Phone: 814-863-0837

Pennsylvania Veterinary Laboratory
Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture
2305 N Cameron Street
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110-9405
Phone: 717-787-8808

University of Pennsylvania
School of Vet Med,
New Bolton Center PADLS
382 West Street Rd
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania 19348-1692
Phone: 610-444-5800

If you call them, they'll send you a FedEx label for shipping.

I’ve lost 2 meat chickens....they could not be given antibiotics but were separated. The girl I lost yesterday and one of her mates are the only others that have shown symptoms. I cannot send anything off for necropsy as they were not kept cold. I’d rather be proactive and am pretty sure is MG. I actuLly had it run through my flock last year...once....and not again until now. With that said I know I cannot cure it however I can treat and maintain. Does anyone know the dose for LA-200 Orally?

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Let us know how it works out.

I send every bird that died of unknown causes to the lab. That way, I don't wipe out my flock.
I also never treat prophylactically for an unknown disease. That's how superbugs are created.

 

[Jandsloch]

Let us know how it works out.

I send every bird that died of unknown causes to the lab. That way, I don't wipe out my flock.
I also never treat prophylactically for an unknown disease. That's how superbugs are created.

I unfortunately am gone from home 12 hours a day 6 days a week. My husband does not tend chickens and is disabled. Sending for a necropsy really isn’t in my budget nor my “schedule” if u will. I literally just work and work. It’s not going to work out at all if I can’t find a proper dose for orally rather than “more and more often”. I wish I could just send off every bird that dies. I’m not going in blindly on this. I’ve dealt with MG last year. This is the same symptoms. i Just really cannot remix the water all day as I’m here....at work. I want to make sure the remaining 2 concerns are getting the proper dosage. Hence the reason I did my research till wee hours of the morning came up with 2 different ones that I can give orally but could not find proper dosage. Figured I’d ask here to see if anyone would know. I am not a person to throw meds in the mix blindly ...come to think of it last time I had MG I also had meaties. I swore to never do Cornish cross again until my daughter wanted to do market birds for 4h. But no market for small animals bc of covid. So here we r raising meat birds we swore never to do again lol personally I like the rangers as they roost and do not lay face first in poop. I am by no way looking for an answer to blindly throw meds at my chickens. It just seems no one really knows the actual dose except 1cc oral as well as 1cc inject. i love this group and mostly very helpful except this one time lol the list of meds I found on here last night even said orally and inject. I could have went with other antibiotics however with having MG last year with the same symptoms pretty sure like 99% that’s what it is.

 

[Eggcessive]

I’ve lost 2 meat chickens....they could not be given antibiotics but were separated. The girl I lost yesterday and one of her mates are the only others that have shown symptoms. I cannot send anything off for necropsy as they were not kept cold. I’d rather be proactive and am pretty sure is MG. I actuLly had it run through my flock last year...once....and not again until now. With that said I know I cannot cure it however I can treat and maintain. Does anyone know the dose for LA-200 Orally?

I have tried to help others with dosage in the past, but there is no official dosage. Some links say 25 mg per pound and others just guess. LA 200 is 200 mg per ml. I would just google it and look at what most are giving. When we could get oxytetracycline powder, most gave the 800 mg dosage in the water. The LA200 is not dosed for chickens.

I am more comfortable giving dosages for Tylosin which is put in the water. You can get that here:
https://www.jedds.com/shop/tylan-soluble-100-g/
That treats MG as well. MG usually will cause swelling of the face or eyelids and bubbles in eyes. If there is sneezing and congestion only, then it may be infectious bronchitis virus, which antibiotics do not touch, but which runs it’s course over 3-4 weeks.