Lash Egg ??? Treatment

[Goldie7]

Hi,
My egger recently laid a soft egg...I didn't know it was her at the time. I gave extra calcium though they were already getting it.She before this had been acting like she wasn't feeling well. She wasn't moving much. Just kind of laying around with her eyes closed... .Then 2 nights ago I found a egg on the ground under her roost with a orphington. Now she's doing it again...What can I do? To me this looks like an egg with yolk and blood in or on the egg...if she wasn't acting sickly I would think all this a fluke.. Help! what can i do.. I did find antibiotcs but I don't know what to use , how much, and we'd like to be able to eat eggs after this..Oh! I've not had any pastel eggs either...maybe cream...she's almost a year old.

thank you!
Goldie

 

[coach723]

Can you repost the pictures full sized rather than thumbnail? That way we can zoom in and see the details better. It appears it could be lash material, but I can't tell for sure, it also could just be a soft shelled, malformed egg.
If it is lash material, then it's caused by salpingitis. The usual treatment is Baytril (enrofloxacin). You can get the oral medication as a fish antibiotic (fish enro) online, and it's out of stock everywhere I looked, or as a pigeon medication here: https://jedds.com/products/enrofloxacin-10?_pos=1&_sid=2460ddb08&_ss=r
The injectable requires prescription, you would need to see a vet for that.
Having said that, if it is salpingitis, it can be very resistant to treatment and will gradually worsen until the bird passes. Generally if it's salpingitis it needs to be treated very early and many times it's not since the bird hides the symptoms so well. Many vets say that you can never eat the eggs after treating with Baytril, some say you can after a lengthy withdrawl period. If it's salpingitis, they most often will stop laying eggs, just pass lash material if they pass anything, and they don't lay again.
More on salpingitis here:
https://the-chicken-chick.com/salpingitis-lash-eggs-in-backyard/

 

[Goldie7]

 

[Goldie7]

Can you repost the pictures full sized rather than thumbnail? That way we can zoom in and see the details better. It appears it could be lash material, but I can't tell for sure, it also could just be a soft shelled, malformed egg.
If it is lash material, then it's caused by salpingitis. The usual treatment is Baytril (enrofloxacin). You can get the oral medication as a fish antibiotic (fish enro) online, and it's out of stock everywhere I looked, or as a pigeon medication here: https://jedds.com/products/enrofloxacin-10?_pos=1&_sid=2460ddb08&_ss=r
The injectable requires prescription, you would need to see a vet for that.
Having said that, if it is salpingitis, it can be very resistant to treatment and will gradually worsen until the bird passes. Generally if it's salpingitis it needs to be treated very early and many times it's not since the bird hides the symptoms so well. Many vets say that you can never eat the eggs after treating with Baytril, some say you can after a lengthy withdrawl period. If it's salpingitis, they most often will stop laying eggs, just pass lash material if they pass anything, and they don't lay again.
More on salpingitis here:
https://the-chicken-chick.com/salpingitis-lash-eggs-in-backyard/

I posted pictures. Let me know if they didn't post right please. I have gotten cephelexen for her. I can still get the enrofloxicam if need me. It does concern me about her eggs being non edible. I have 6 other birds and don't always know what egg goes to who. .

 

[coach723]

In the larger pictures it looks like both, an improperly formed egg shell with some lash material. Being able to feel it in person (which I obviously cannot) would help. If she were mine, and I thought it was lash material, I would start treatment right away, in the hopes it was early enough. If you think it's not lash material, then some extra calcium could help with shell formation and would be worth a try. Do you know when she last laid normally? Without testing, it's impossible to say what the best antibiotic would be, but Baytril is most commonly used.

 

[Goldie7]

In the larger pictures it looks like both, an improperly formed egg shell with some lash material. Being able to feel it in person (which I obviously cannot) would help. If she were mine, and I thought it was lash material, I would start treatment right away, in the hopes it was early enough. If you think it's not lash material, then some extra calcium could help with shell formation and would be worth a try. Do you know when she last laid normally? Without testing, it's impossible to say what the best antibiotic would be, but Baytril is most commonly used.

I got her about a month ago. Since she's an egger I expected pale green. I'm not sure if I've gotten any from her. I think that I've gotten some small cream colored one's. I'm not sure. The first egg that led me to think something was wrong was a soft shelled egg w/ yolk. I found this the other night under her perch she shares with an orphington. It was on her side. She also is the one of the bunch that's acted sickly a couple times. The egg was under her and broken. Thankfully, I thought to get it up. Then , I took pictures . I did feel the shell and it was harder than that first one I found. BTW, that first one I found was in the nest box. Correction! I jut realized.. I found an egg in the box that was soft & broken. Then one that was soft and about to break. Then this one that's in the pics. It just started. I'm hoping to catch it in time.The antibiotic I got is cephalexin. I was told to give it to her am & pm. The thing I don't get is to give that until you get a good egg. Well , I read where they may never have a good egg again. I just want her to get better. If I get that baytril will we be able to eat her eggs again? Also, should I give her the cephalexin and start the baytril when I run out? The info on lash egg is confusing. Any help will be much appreciated.

 

[Goldie7]

I got her about a month ago. Since she's an egger I expected pale green. I'm not sure if I've gotten any from her. I think that I've gotten some small cream colored one's. I'm not sure. The first egg that led me to think something was wrong was a soft shelled egg w/ yolk. I found this the other night under her perch she shares with an orphington. It was on her side. She also is the one of the bunch that's acted sickly a couple times. The egg was under her and broken. Thankfully, I thought to get it up. Then , I took pictures . I did feel the shell and it was harder than that first one I found. BTW, that first one I found was in the nest box. Correction! I jut realized.. I found an egg in the box that was soft & broken. Then one that was soft and about to break. Then this one that's in the pics. It just started. I'm hoping to catch it in time.The antibiotic I got is cephalexin. I was told to give it to her am & pm. The thing I don't get is to give that until you get a good egg. Well , I read where they may never have a good egg again. I just want her to get better. If I get that baytril will we be able to eat her eggs again? Also, should I give her the cephalexin and start the baytril when I run out? The info on lash egg is confusing. Any help will be much appreciated.

 

[coach723]

She has the slate legs of an EE, but they don't always lay blue or green, it's in the genetics, some of them lay cream or brown, they are mixes/hybrids and it just depends on the genes. If she has been laying soft shelled eggs often then I would give her some calcium citrate +D once a day, see if it firms up the shells. Dose for a bird in egg binding crisis is 600 mg daily. If they get deficient then it can take higher doses to reverse it, and then the calcium they get in feed and/or oyster shell can maintain it. Some birds, for genetic, dietary, or illness reasons, may have more trouble absorbing calcium. Make sure you have oyster shell available all the time in a separate feeder, regardless of what you feed, needs can vary bird to bird and season to season. They will take what they need. Since you've only had her a month it's hard to know if this was going on before, what the diet was like before, etc. If it persists then it could indicate a shell gland malfunction or an early, early indication of a developing reproductive problem. She also can be having glitches due to stress (moving to a new home). She also appears to have (picture isn't real clear) possible rooster damage on her back or feather picking damage, so may have been stressed in her previous home by that also.
This may help with the egg color question:
https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/eggs-meat/chicken-breeds-blue-eggs/
and this one:
https://mosminifarm.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/easter-eggers-understanding-egg-color-genetics/

 

[Goldie7]

She has the slate legs of an EE, but they don't always lay blue or green, it's in the genetics, some of them lay cream or brown, they are mixes/hybrids and it just depends on the genes. If she has been laying soft shelled eggs often then I would give her some calcium citrate +D once a day, see if it firms up the shells. Dose for a bird in egg binding crisis is 600 mg daily. If they get deficient then it can take higher doses to reverse it, and then the calcium they get in feed and/or oyster shell can maintain it. Some birds, for genetic, dietary, or illness reasons, may have more trouble absorbing calcium. Make sure you have oyster shell available all the time in a separate feeder, regardless of what you feed, needs can vary bird to bird and season to season. They will take what they need. Since you've only had her a month it's hard to know if this was going on before, what the diet was like before, etc. If it persists then it could indicate a shell gland malfunction or an early, early indication of a developing reproductive problem. She also can be having glitches due to stress (moving to a new home). She also appears to have (picture isn't real clear) possible rooster damage on her back or feather picking damage, so may have been stressed in her previous home by that also.
This may help with the egg color question:
https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/eggs-meat/chicken-breeds-blue-eggs/
and this one:
https://mosminifarm.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/easter-eggers-understanding-egg-color-genetics/

Thank you for taking the time to help us. Say a prayer and cross your fingers for us. I'm going to do all that you mentioned...I'll follow up as things go so that maybe this can help others. Goldie

 

[Goldie7]

She has the slate legs of an EE, but they don't always lay blue or green, it's in the genetics, some of them lay cream or brown, they are mixes/hybrids and it just depends on the genes. If she has been laying soft shelled eggs often then I would give her some calcium citrate +D once a day, see if it firms up the shells. Dose for a bird in egg binding crisis is 600 mg daily. If they get deficient then it can take higher doses to reverse it, and then the calcium they get in feed and/or oyster shell can maintain it. Some birds, for genetic, dietary, or illness reasons, may have more trouble absorbing calcium. Make sure you have oyster shell available all the time in a separate feeder, regardless of what you feed, needs can vary bird to bird and season to season. They will take what they need. Since you've only had her a month it's hard to know if this was going on before, what the diet was like before, etc. If it persists then it could indicate a shell gland malfunction or an early, early indication of a developing reproductive problem. She also can be having glitches due to stress (moving to a new home). She also appears to have (picture isn't real clear) possible rooster damage on her back or feather picking damage, so may have been stressed in her previous home by that also.
This may help with the egg color question:
https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/eggs-meat/chicken-breeds-blue-eggs/
and this one:
https://mosminifarm.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/easter-eggers-understanding-egg-color-genetics/

I'm looking at the castrate + d .... Can you tell me the exact one? How do I give it to her? Do I get the minis? Thank you