LGBTQ+ Poultry Keepers

[All squabbled up]

Dysphoria is so real, and can be so hard to deal with. I can only say what helped me:

There is no such thing as a male body or female body. It's just a body. Okay, society doesn't make it that easy, because we live in a cisnormative world (overall). Unfortunately. But hey, I have boobs, and I'm a dude. I'm just a dude with boobs I may not want them, and nothing would make me happier than having them lobbed off so I can walk around shirtless, but whatever. That's something I can hopefully do someday! And if not, I only need to remind myself: my body is a man's body because I am a man.

Being trans isn't all about dysphoria and suffering. That's a common misconception and one of the strongest anti-trans arguments; how could you support something that's causing people to hate their bodies, to be depressed? But being trans is about love, and joy, and community. Those are the things we bring to each other. So try to focus on that as much as you can. If physically transitioning is what you want, then I hope you get there someday

There is nothing more I can add to this, it is so kind, thankyou! Getting out of depression and getting out of hating your body has been huge for me. And when I think about it, a lot of this depressive mentality has stemmed from this cisnormativity society. So much Is all based on how they see my body (I like to say "flesh machine") and how I look, by putting certain expectations on me and forming perceptions of me, all from how they see my body....
I would like to transition, Not because what I said above, not to fit in or appease anyone else. Even if I was on an island, I would still want to do it for my own personal self; Its because its just who I am as my internal identity. I have to live in this body I might as well customize it as my person. I think this is a good way to look at it; because if was doing it for society then I would still be subjected to society's judging and still would never truly be myself. I am not really trying to prove a point to anyone here, I'm mostly just talking to myself. Also I totally agree with you about breaking down the stereotype. Why does having the ability to produce sperm make you a man, or not being able to make you not a man? I really agree with you, your biology doesn't define who you are as a person.

I appreciate your support, and your message about being trans. Many people can be healed by learning what being trans or just being a human really is about.

 

[All squabbled up]

Got mine lobbed off and I tell ya, that was a weight off my chest!!!

Seriously though, lost about 7 lbs in less than a day. Always hated those things.

Bro, you are so awesome

 

[Sally PB]

I am not really trying to prove a point to anyone here, I'm mostly just talking to myself.

And you don't need to prove a point to anyone here.

Since your (collective and singular "your" here; I mean just about everyone on this thread) experience is nothing like my own, I really, truly do appreciate "seeing through your eyes."

 

[TOMTE]

And you don't need to prove a point to anyone here.

Since your (collective and singular "your" here; I mean just about everyone on this thread) experience is nothing like my own, I really, truly do appreciate "seeing through your eyes."

It would be so amazing if everyone thought this way. Different =/= bad and we can all learn from each others experiences. You're a sweetheart

 

[KikiDeAnime]

Y'all my cold is just about gone! Looks like it was super minor so it was easy to start getting rid of it.

I decided to skip on getting those ducklings as the breeder let me know someone else asked about them and I didn't want them waiting on me to decide if I was gonna get them or not.

I'm currently talking to another breeder for a couple of 5month old Silkie pullets! I was thinking of getting 2 from her. She sent me photos of them and I fell in love with a white showgirl and a black pullet with a minor cross beak that's barely noticeable. And don't worry, I don't ever plan on breeding the cross beak if I do get her.
I had mentioned that my birds are pets which is why I'm assuming she sent a photo of the cross beak one and offered her for sale too.

 

[Sally PB]

Glad you're feeling better!

 

[fluffycrow]

It would be so amazing if everyone thought this way. Different =/= bad and we can all learn from each others experiences. You're a sweetheart

I really, truly do appreciate "seeing through your eyes."

This exactly!

 

[BelovedBirds]

I need one! WOW!! You're talented!!

Thank you!

 

[Jzam]

There is nothing more I can add to this, it is so kind, thankyou! Getting out of depression and getting out of hating your body has been huge for me. And when I think about it, a lot of this depressive mentality has stemmed from this cisnormativity society. So much Is all based on how they see my body (I like to say "flesh machine") and how I look, by putting certain expectations on me and forming perceptions of me, all from how they see my body....
I would like to transition, Not because what I said above, not to fit in or appease anyone else. Even if I was on an island, I would still want to do it for my own personal self; Its because its just who I am as my internal identity. I have to live in this body I might as well customize it as my person. I think this is a good way to look at it; because if was doing it for society then I would still be subjected to society's judging and still would never truly be myself. I am not really trying to prove a point to anyone here, I'm mostly just talking to myself. Also I totally agree with you about breaking down the stereotype. Why does having the ability to produce sperm make you a man, or not being able to make you not a man? I really agree with you, your biology doesn't define who you are as a person.

I appreciate your support, and your message about being trans. Many people can be healed by learning what being trans or just being a human really is about.

My take is at the core of each persons thinking mind is a spirit. And that spirit has no particular sex and some people feel this and know they are neither male or female. But that is for the spirit the core of who you are, not the body. Sometimes spirit runs the body but so much more of the time the body runs and controls the spirit.
And that body most certainly does have Traits that are different between the sexes that are genetically mediated. And there is it You can see it as true or you can see it as hate, but it’s only hate if you make it that way. If you identify as a body your gender or imagined lack thereof, will be very important to you.
But any forensics, scientist or anthropologist, will be able to infer the sex of the physical form based on chromosomes, bone density, muscle mass, skeletal form, fat deposition, organs, And Psychological, emotional and behavioral differences that are intrinsic and not just learned in a culture. Why? because yes, some are of us are from Mars and some from Venus. No, that’s not to say you can’t be a girly man and a manly woman that does not mean you have to identify with your body. But I don’t think it serves anybody to lie to ones self and tell yourself that your body form has no sex. Now maby in an ideal reality Or parallel universe The bodies would be a-sexual. And maybe, somehow you know, that’s just the way things are supposed to be. That’s what feels right to you. So I’m not sure what the solution is. There’s no trade in dealership at the moment to go take your body to and switch it out for a neutral model. But with relevance to chickens i don’t think your chickens really care. For better or worse I never met a rooster who was confused about his identity. But I have had some that I wish would take it down a few notches.

 

[TOMTE]

My take is at the core of each persons thinking mind is a spirit. And that spirit has no particular sex and some people feel this and know they are neither male or female. But that is for the spirit the core of who you are, not the body. Sometimes spirit runs the body but so much more of the time the body runs and controls the spirit.
And that body most certainly does have Traits that are different between the sexes that are genetically mediated. And there is it You can see it as true or you can see it as hate, but it’s only hate if you make it that way. If you identify as a body your gender or imagined lack thereof, will be very important to you.
But any forensics, scientist or anthropologist, will be able to infer the sex of the physical form based on chromosomes, bone density, muscle mass, skeletal form, fat deposition, organs, And Psychological, emotional and behavioral differences that are intrinsic and not just learned in a culture. Why? because yes, some are of us are from Mars and some from Venus. No, that’s not to say you can’t be a girly man and a manly woman that does not mean you have to identify with your body. But I don’t think it serves anybody to lie to ones self and tell yourself that your body form has no sex. Now maby in an ideal reality Or parallel universe The bodies would be a-sexual. And maybe, somehow you know, that’s just the way things are supposed to be. That’s what feels right to you. So I’m not sure what the solution is. There’s no trade in dealership at the moment to go take your body to and switch it out for a neutral model. But with relevance to chickens i don’t think your chickens really care. For better or worse I never met a rooster who was confused about his identity. But I have had some that I wish would take it down a few notches.

I'm not sure I completely understand you. Nobody is "lying" about their body form or "true sex" or whatever just because they don't accept what's forced on us at birth: that penis = male and vagina = female. Because that isn't true. There are cultures around the world that don't have just binary genders (male or female). Two-spirit, for example, is a term exclusively used by indigenous people to describe individuals who have both a male and female spirit inhabiting their body. Different tribes will have different words and experiences to specify this identity.

The gender binary came to the United States with colonization. It is quite literally a western concept. Not all cultures accept the gender binary.

But any forensics, scientist or anthropologist, will be able to infer the sex of the physical form based on chromosomes, bone density, muscle mass, skeletal form, fat deposition, organs, And Psychological, emotional and behavioral differences that are intrinsic and not just learned in a culture.

This is untrue. In fact, lots of anthropologists who dig up bones will tell you that it isn't actually all that easy to tell the sex of a person based on their skeleton. I read a book about Vikings and their culture and they touched on this subject when talking about burials and woman warriors.

And there is no behavior or emotion intrinsic to male vs female that isn't impressed on us societally. Gender is a social contruct so society will try to get us to act a certain way based on gender or perceived sex. Nobody is born with a set of emotions and behaviors specific to their sex. Some of it is genetic and most of it is learned.