Mixing Grains for Feed verses Buying Corporate Crumbles...

Chef JimmyJ

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This is from a complete Newbie here.
I do A LOT of Reseach before I take on a new project, so take my words or opinion for whatever value you place on it. There are very friendly and knowledgeable folks here and I value what they have to say. I really Love this Place!

Not every person raising Chickens has the land or time to Free Range. Even tossing the Girls lawn weeds and some grass, garden trim and seasonal leftovers or wilted greens and people food is good. But for these Chicken Fans, it's Feed that makes the bulk of their Chickens diet.
I'm not a Chicken Nutritionist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
After 3 years of research, I'm retired with a lot of time on my hands, this is what I have determined. Since the Domestication of Chickens, some 9000 years ago, when they foraged and ate a portion of whatever their keeper was growing and eating. They ate vegetables and assorted Grain. It was some 8000 years, turn of the Century, until Factory Farmed Poultry was born and another few Decades, the 50's, before sufficient knowledge of Vitamin and Minerals effect on health became a field of College Study, aka the Chicken Nutritionists. Their focus, Originally, was and is the Health of the birds...BUT...It was not too many years before Farmer Joe and Sons Poultry, became Tysons Inc, Pilgram's Pride and Perdue. While chicken health is of major concern, you can't sell Dead Chickens, Chicken health at a MINIMUM COST, is paramount. While Chickens live, grow and produce amazing eggs at 24-30% Protein, Protein is the most expensive ingredient in feed. The " Nutrionists " researched and determined with 16% Protein, artificial Vitamins, Hormones and Antibiotics, the birds grow at sufficient rates, to turn a profit. Is it possible or worth while for, Crazy Chicken Lady 85 to try to do better? Absolutely! Go to Shop-Rite, buy a Tysons Chicken and a Dozen Eggs. Next stop at your Local Farmers Market and get a Free Range Cornish Cross and a Dozen Free Range Buff Orpington Eggs. Roast off the Chickens with just Salt and Pepper for seasoning and make Soft Boiled or Sunny Side Eggs...How do the chickens look, smell, how does body conformation and Taste compare? Now the Eggs, how far do the Whites Spread, how Viscus are they, what Color are the Yolks, pale yellow or Vibrant Orange, how does the Taste of the two compare? You will be surprised...
There is a REASON over the last 50 years, people taste some unusual foods like, Snake, Alligator, Etc, and say," It taste like Chicken..." That's because modern Factory Farmed Chicken has a very small discernable Taste of its Own!!!! Virtually everyone here under 55 years of age, especially growing up in the city, has probaly not tasted what Chicken is SUPPOSED to Taste like, you were raised on Grocery Chain Chicken and the Tastless Store Eggs! Free Range Eggs have a Rich, Depth of Flavor that coats the mouth and lingers beyond swallowing. The Intensity is like a Full Flavored pot of Grandma's Sunday Gravy, aka Tomato Meat Sauce, that has simmered all day, her Loving Hands stirring and coaxing every ounce of goodness from the Home Grown Ingredients.
The Poultry Feed conglomerates soon took the opportunity to take the " Scientist " designed Feed they sell Factory Farms by the Train Car load, and make More Money. They started bagging it in 25 and 50 pound bags, printing some pretty picturesque farms, from days when chickens were hand raised and tasted great. They then market and sell it as, The Best Feed Money Can Buy!
I DON'T THINK SO!
I am old enough to have eaten the Chickens my Grandfather raised and Grandma cooked. The birds were born and raised on their small PA Farmette. The Chicken free ranged the property, were fed what my Grandfather raised in the Garden during the summer and a blend of Grains and Dryed Vegetables purchased from the local Feed Store in the winter. They could get Purina Chicken Chow but Gramp's would never feed His Girls that New Fangled who knows what. The flavor of Grandma's Chicken Roast or Soup was Amazing and the Egg Yolks, from their Ladies, were the color of Sunkist Oranges! Those meals were on visits and Holidays. I longed to return and missed those Chickens. In contrast, I was born and raised in Post War Suburban New Jersey. Chickens and the Eggs we ate came from Factory Farms and fed " Nutritionist " designed grain crumbles that have to be artificially enhanced because the Grains were/are the cheapest money can buy. They get ground and stored for Who Know How Long until ALL their Natural Nutritive value is Oxydized and Lost. Same goes for Layer Crumbles in automated egg farms. The birds and eggs were tasteless, having to be covered in BBQ SAUCE, Gravy or Marinaded. Hot Sauce on Eggs at least gave some flavor.
There are still plenty of folks around, Members Here, YouTube Channels and countless Blogger's, that have been taught the Old Way of How to Mix Nutritionally Balanced Blended Feed. They use Whole Grains that will Keep their Nutritional Value. Maybe add high Protein ingredients like Fish Meal, Kelp and Others or search out Organic, Non-GMO Roasted Soy Beans and Corn. Since Seasonal Rain, or lack of it and Weather changes can effect Nutitional Values, a little Fertell's Nutri-Balancer can make a great Insurance Policy that your birds diet is not lacking essentials. Do it right, lots of folks do, and grow Healthy, Beautiful, FLAVOR FILLED CHICKEN and Eggs that are worth eating.
Read, Watch Videos, Study the vast material on the subject both here and on the Net. THEN decide, Mix Your Own or Buy from the Checker Board Square folks. BTW...FERTRELL'S is accepted as Organic and made from all Natural ingredients. Add to your mix at 3% by weight to supplement any needed or missing Vitamins and a whole range of Probiotics. Oh Yeah, A NUTRITIONIST worked with Fertrell's Farm owners to develop their Nutri-Balancer. They are really good folks just doing what they are asked to do. NOT Evil Corporate Stooges.

So that's my thoughts on the Subject. Like I said. I'm just a Newbie with a lot of time on my hands...JJ
 
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To quote; "that coats the mouth and lingers beyond swallowing" is the ABSOLUTE BEST DESCRIPTION!! I buy the checkerboard since that is all they sell around me, but they have 'candy' which is just seeds (sunflower, sesame, nigella, poppy, caraway) & whole grains (wheat, millet, oats, quinoa) I mix in a jar for treats. Seems I need to do more research. I really like your style!! :celebrate
 
Corporate Crumbles are my favorite brand! Haha. :thumbsup

If you have the time, patience, and access to the "correct" ingredients to create a balanced feed, then I think the answer is to mix it yourself.

That being said, I think it is not usually cost, nor time effective for a small flock.

In my case the perfect middle ground is buying from a small mill that mixes a great feed that is corn free, non-GMO, super fresh, etc... Not that I actually care about non-GMO or corn free aspect of it, but those are a pleasant side effect to buying feed from them.

Maybe this could be your answer? Avoid the mass produced corporate crumbles and find a mill that can supply you something of their own creation.
 
Corporate Crumbles are my favorite brand! Haha. :thumbsup

If you have the time, patience, and access to the "correct" ingredients to create a balanced feed, then I think the answer is to mix it yourself.

That being said, I think it is not usually cost, nor time effective for a small flock.

In my case the perfect middle ground is buying from a small mill that mixes a great feed that is corn free, non-GMO, super fresh, etc... Not that I actually care about non-GMO or corn free aspect of it, but those are a pleasant side effect to buying feed from them.

Maybe this could be your answer? Avoid the mass produced corporate crumbles and find a mill that can supply you something of their own creation.

BRAVO! Now that is an alternative I can support 100%! It offers a great opportunity to get the most current, "Nutrionist's" knowledge and combine it with FRESH Grains that You can see are of high quality! Not Floor Sweepings.
I live in a mountainous area of NW-PA. Pretty Rural but mountainous with more Bear, Deer and Elk, roaming people's yards than Chickens! There is a TSC and Mom and Pop General Stores that offer some feed ingredient. Just picked up 50 pounds of BOSS for $20! I was pretty thrilled. You need to make calls to several stores to see what they have and can find a variety. There are no Feed Mills for some 100 miles so it's the Crap TSC has to offer or make your own.
Thanks for you input and great Third Alternative...JJ
 
While it would be nice to have free range chickens that feed themselves times have changed.

For most people the use of pesticides and herbicides have greatly decreased or eliminated nutritious bugs and weeds....even if I do not use those chemicals it has affected my land.

Many chicken keepers are in suburbs or towns and all those tasty bugs have to cross a sea of poisoned yards to get near a chicken.

As people have become more and more crowded living in "the old ways" has become harder and harder.
As a society there is a huge disconnect between us and where our food comes from.

Sorry, I definitely don't have good forage for my birds. They will keep getting Corporate Crumbles.
 
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For most people just raising chickens for personal enjoyment (not for commercial layer or meat reasons) using a 16% commercial feed will be your easiest option. You can go organic, non-gmo and not get what the "in" crowd says you shouldn't feed your chickens. If you're deciding weather or not to fight 'the man' by making up your own feed ration you will spend double what you pay for a whole grain, organic, non-gmo from your local feed store. The biggest cost increase in creating your own feed is due to needing a balancer. The prices of different kinds of grain vary depending where you are but no one sells balancer cheap. If you find it interesting you could try to circumvent using balancer but there are risks involved.
It is very hard to tell if you are not feeding chickens right, as they can take alot of variations and them dropping dead is really the indicator that you have seriously screwed something up.
I personally am content to leave the calculating what is best for feeding chickens to others. I have more fun figuring out coops, runs, fencing, feeders, waters, incubating, chicks, roosters, butchering, and all the other things (besides rations) that come with having chickens.
But to each his own. If you think it would be interesting or fun, give it a go :)
 
I just wanted to start a conversation, get some opinions and pick some brains.
There are as many Chicken Feeding possibilities as there are Chicken Loving Owners. NONE are 100% right or the ONLY WAY for every owner. I can Mix, Buy Dumor or Free Range, under supervision. What I do, ALL actually, the Peeps were on Dumor for the last 12 weeks and are heading out to the Coop and Run, being fed a Mix of Organic, Non-GMO Grains with a supervised free Range time. My Three Boys, 2 Beagle Brothers and Pit/Boxer Love playing with and protecting " Their " Chickens. Other than the family and our Cats, the Boys tolerate nothing on the property.
Bottom line, we all have different needs and ways to indulge or Birds. Your's is just as good as anyone else'should here. Thanks for responding...JJ
 
Have you done any research into using ingredients such as spent grains from a brewery?

I've heard it mentioned at multiple times, for various farm animals.

I have heard of this as a way to get cheap grain to feed to animals but not as a primary/only source of feed. No one I know of recommends feeding only brewery spent grains to chickens but I have seen it used on pigs being fattened up to slaughter. It makes them pack on weight quickly.
 

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