new to goat breeding. registering goat kids?

[Shatessa]

I am looking into breeding goats and would like to start with a registered doe and buck. Once they have kids, how do i go about getting them registered before i sell them? or is registering something that the person buying them from me can do? The websites i have looked at make it sound very confusing so sorry if this is a silly question.

 

[Stacykins]

I am looking into breeding goats and would like to start with a registered doe and buck. Once they have kids, how do i go about getting them registered before i sell them? or is registering something that the person buying them from me can do? The websites i have looked at make it sound very confusing so sorry if this is a silly question.

If the parents are registered, and the registration is transferred to your named....you just tattoo the kids with your herd tattoo in one ear, and the letter corresponding to the year plus a number (start at 1 for the first goat, 2 for the next goat, etc.). Once they're registered, that name is permanent, so I always let buyers choose. I fully fill out the kid's registration, sign it, put in the herd name in for the goat, and hand off that with the new owner. They can then fill in a name of their choice after the required herd name, and send it in with the money to register and transfer, too. As long as I've signed everything, the goat is theirs.

You should not start out with a single buck and a single doe. Depending on the breed, some breeds of goat are year round breeders. The buck can breed as soon as she has a heat. Then once she gives birth five months later, he can immediately rebreed her (they can have heats quite quickly after pregnancy). As you can imagine, being constantly pregnant (especially while lactating to feed a newborn kid) is devastating for a doe's health and she will die young. There is a thing called Maternal Depletion Syndrome, meaning she can exhaust her body's resources because of pregnancy. So both the doe and the buck would need to be separated. But since they're herd animals, that would likely stress them out (yes, bucks CAN breed a doe through a fence, if they share a fenceline).

SO you need to rethink your plans. A pair of does, or a doe and a wether are great companions. Any bucks needs his own companion as well, either another buck or a wether (a wether is much easier). I'd suggest you don't get a buck right away, either. Start with a pair of does, or a doe and a wether, and actually learn how to take care of them properly before diving into breeding. There are so many mistakes to be made without tossing in pregnancy, birth, and lactation into the mix.

Some people offer buck service with their registered bucks. So this could be an option for you in order to eventually breed any does you have, without the need to own a buck.

FYI, you don't need to make a bunch of different threads each with a different question. You can get all your questions answered on a single thread.

 

[Shatessa]

you have been very helpful, thank you! as i stated in the other thread, we also have 6 wethers so if i do get one intact pair they would each have pen mates! But I plan on getting at least 2 does and keeping my buck with the wethers until i am experienced enough to increase.

 

[Stacykins]

you have been very helpful, thank you! as i stated in the other thread, we also have 6 wethers so if i do get one intact pair they would each have pen mates! But I plan on getting at least 2 does and keeping my buck with the wethers until i am experienced enough to increase.

Very nice! From how you stated it, it made it seem like these were your very firsts, and you were getting an intact male and a doe for your very firsts. Glad they'll be separate and have buddies

 

[Shatessa]

Yes, we started our goat experience with 4, wethers & now we cant stop! We got 2 more not long ago, and now I would like to venture into breeding them

Again sorry for all the questins, it is just so much easier to ask instead of researiching for an hour.
When I transfur the existing registries into my name will I automatically get my own hurd number or is that a seperate application?

 

[Stacykins]

Yes, we started our goat experience with 4, wethers & now we cant stop! We got 2 more not long ago, and now I would like to venture into breeding them

Again sorry for all the questins, it is just so much easier to ask instead of researiching for an hour.
When I transfur the existing registries into my name will I automatically get my own hurd number or is that a seperate application?

For the AGS and the ADGA, you need to apply to get your own herd name and unique tattoo in order to register kids born to does you own. Right now, the ADGA's website is down and they have put a complete halt on all activities like registrations, transfers, etc. and I bet that applies to new members attempting to get herd names, too.

If you want to register with both registries, you NEED the exact same tattoo and herd name. In order to do that, you think of a herd name and a tattoo sequence, then ask both registries if it is available. If yes, submit the applications for herd names and tattoos with your membership to those registries. If not, keep thinking. For instance, my herdname is Yooper with the ADGA and AGS. So every kid born here MUST have Yooper at the start of their registered name. An example is Yooper Keweenaw Copper Lady, a doe I sold. I have the same tattoo with both registries (YP3R), too, so there is zero confusion between that.

You don't have to use both registries, but a lot of people do. ADGA (when it finally finishes updating their website) allows online registrations if both the dam and the sire are ADGA registered. AGS is in the dark ages, doesn't have a pedigree website that allows you to lookup geneology, is very very very slow to respond to inquiries, etc. So it isn't as convenient of a registry. But for instance, with the ADGA not doing ANY registering at the moment, it is some people's only option.

 

[Shatessa]

On there website it states that the name is limited to 30 letters, does that include the hurd/farm name and the name given to that particular goat 9r just the hurd name itself?

 

[Stacykins]

On there website it states that the name is limited to 30 letters, does that include the hurd/farm name and the name given to that particular goat 9r just the hurd name itself?

A registered name can be no more than 30 letters, and that includes the herd (no u in the word herd) name. So you should choose a short herd name. Picking one that is 15 characters long leaves little space for a name.

 

[Shatessa]

Sorry about the misspellings.
Are there any advantages to double registering vs single registering? My eventual plan is to have a large herd with Nubians, Boars and maybe some pygmys so I have a veriety when it comes selling, does each breed of goat have to have diffrent herd name and numbers?

 

[Stacykins]

Sorry about the misspellings.
Are there any advantages to double registering vs single registering? My eventual plan is to have a large herd with Nubians, Boars and maybe some pygmys so I have a veriety when it comes selling, does each breed of goat have to have diffrent herd name and numbers?

A lot of buyers like to double register. So it is easier for them to do so if you've got the tattoo and herd name with both registries.

Boers, if you go the registered route with them, are registered with the ABGA. Pygmies, with the NPGA. Parents must come from registered stock in order to be registered themselves. Dairy goats are ADGA and/or AGS.

I don't keep boer or pygmy goats. So I have no idea how their registries work.