Old and Rare Breeds

[cgmccary]

saladin wrote:

Doodle_Doo wrote:
Rare and ancient breeds..?hmmm

Black Sumatra and Saipan Jungle Fowl birds unchanged since their original ansestors..the saipan could have a mix with other taller orientals but the sumatra is unchanged thought of as a wild original chicken/pheasant depends on the area on the name
Sumatras are surely an old breed. There is no doubt they have changed through the years though. All you have to do is look at recent birds and those in pictures from 150 years ago.

One way is cut 'em open . Probably as red as any other bird now, but from what I heard the true, original Sumatra's were black just like an Ayam Cemani. Doesn't say it, but being as they're both from Indonesia I wouldn't doubt it if the Sumatra was just a Ayam Cemani crossed with some type of game (since the original birds were also game.)

-Daniel​

Aren't Sumatras a landrace? If changed substantially from 150 years ago, is it still a landrace?​

 

[saladin]

Black Red Asil
Note* Though the Standard calls this Black Breasted Red it is actually wheaten. The hens come light wheaten and dark wheaten; the standard list the hens coloration as Wheaten (the light wheaten) and Black Breasted Red (the dark wheaten).

 

[fowlman01]

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Love his body.....he looks solid.

Walt

 

[saladin]

Thanks Walt. He's real clean. He actually stands better than this picture shows too. I'm taking him to Unifour the first Saturday of March.

 

[saladin]

Walt,

While you are online I've got a question or two for you (maybe even three...lol):

I've always shown non-standard breeds as well like my Malgache. However, this year I want to show both the Hyderabad Asils and a Kulang Asil stag. Can I just list them by their breed name without a color variety name since they aren't standard?

I also want to show some of my Old English Game tassels. The Standard says if it has a crest and is not supposed to it is a DQ. If I enter them as Old English Game: Tasseled would that be ok? I know they can't when passed Best of Variety, but I don't show the non-standards to win.

Thanks for the help.

 

[fowlman01]

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Good luck! Let me know how you do. I have seen many Asils with flat fronts, this guy is nice in the front and you can just tell he will feel like a brick in hand.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

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1. Probably. It is pretty much up to the folks running the show. Contact them and ask. We have made up color names for the KO's at some shows.

2. I would enter them as tasseled OEG and then the color. I don't have the ABA Standard handy, but I think they only recognize the white tasseled.

Walt

 

[saladin]

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1. Probably. It is pretty much up to the folks running the show. Contact them and ask. We have made up color names for the KO's at some shows.

2. I would enter them as tasseled OEG and then the color. I don't have the ABA Standard handy, but I think they only recognize the white tasseled.

Walt

My Old English are large fowl. It was the APA Standard I was refering to concerning them. sorry should have posted that fact.

 

[fowlman01]

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1. Probably. It is pretty much up to the folks running the show. Contact them and ask. We have made up color names for the KO's at some shows.

2. I would enter them as tasseled OEG and then the color. I don't have the ABA Standard handy, but I think they only recognize the white tasseled.

Walt

My Old English are large fowl. It was the APA Standard I was refering to concerning them. sorry should have posted that fact.

Sorry! When someone says tasseled OE I automatically think bantam. Enter them as tasseled OE's and note that they are non standard birds. I show the KO Shamo's and they have a split wing which is also a general DQ in the APA Standard. What I do though, is give the judge a description of the breed showing that it has split wings. I think the "non-standard" notation shoild be sufficient.

We have a lot of non standard games shown out here, so judges are used to seeing non standard birds. Most of the CA shows also have a game bird class that is a one day show apart from the main show. The show I'm going to this weekend has over 100 birds in the AOSB class. Last year they had 120. I will take some pics of the ones I think you might be interested in. I have 42 birds entered in this show, so I will be busy the next couple of days.

Walt

 

[mississippifarmboy]

I know a lot of you on this thread like the Orientals, Found this, thought I'd pass it on just in case...
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=445134

Remember, I'm not an Oriental guy, so can't say anything about them, just thought someone here might be interested.