Old english game differences

[JacinLarkwell]

Brits seem to like to do that (produce tight-feathered, leggy birds) a lot. See Modern Langshans (Society Langshans.)

I don't blame them one bit. Apart from Dong Tao and Cornish bantams, I adore the leggy, Twiggy look

 

[Faraz1]

I never heard of them before you asked your question, but then I found a website with a few photos:
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/
They have both a Carlisle Old English Game and an Oxford Old English Game, along with a few other kinds of "game" on that page.

They explain the differences: "The Old English Game Club split in about 1930 as there was already a divergence of birds being shown with larger breasted, horizontally backed, exhibition-type birds tending to win, and breeders of these formed the Carlisle Club, developing only some of the original colours. Breeders of the original type, wherein the back is at 45° to the ground, maintained the well-balanced, close-heeled, athletic fighting fowl, and formed the Oxford Club, retaining over 30 colours."
^That section is on the pages for both varieties:
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/carlisle-old-english-game/
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/oxford-old-english-game/

Thanks, i am aware of these links but struggling to find additional pictures.

I am confused between 'Old English Bantam' vs 'Oxford Old English Game' at https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/

As there is supposed to be Old English Game (Large Fowl) as well as Oxford Old English Game Bantam as well

 

[Faraz1]

Wikipedia
When The Old English Game Club split in the 1930s two types of Old English Game were created, The Carlisle and The Oxford. The Carlisle has different qualities from the Oxford, such as being heavier, having a larger breast and a horizontal back.[3]
And the Old English found in the US is a different type (more similar to the Oxford but with a more horizontal back.)

So in essence we have 3 breeds ?

1- Old English Game
2- Old English Game Oxford Type (Large Fowl & Bantam)
3- Carlisle Old English Game (LF)

 

[NatJ]

Thanks, i am aware of these links but struggling to find additional pictures.

I am confused between 'Old English Bantam' vs 'Oxford Old English Game' at https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/

As there is supposed to be Old English Game (Large Fowl) as well as Oxford Old English Game Bantam as well

I am in the USA, and it looks like that site is based in England, so the way they divide the breeds is a bit different than what I am used to seeing. So I am just reading what the pages say and trying to make sense of it.

The difference between "Old English Bantam" and "Oxford Old English Game" is mostly one of size: any bantam is a small bird, while the Oxford would be a breed of large fowl (not bantam sized.) The page for the bantams also says they are following the Carlisle ideal, not the Oxford on.

From the photos & names on the one page, and the descriptions on the individual breed pages, it looks to me like there is only one kind of bantam (Old English Game Bantam), but two kinds of large fowl (Oxford Old English Game and Carlisle Old English Game.)

 

[Amer]

I don't blame them one bit. Apart from Dong Tao and Cornish bantams, I adore the leggy, Twiggy look

Do you like Lyle, then? (I drew him to make the homliest rooster possible but with a good personality.)

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Do you like Lyle, then? (I drew him to make the homliest rooster possible but with a good personality.)View attachment 3635570

Tail could be longer imo, but those legs and that neck

 

[Amer]

So in essence we have 3 breeds ?

1- Old English Game
2- Old English Game Oxford Type (Large Fowl & Bantam)
3- Carlisle Old English Game (LF)

Old English Game US type also has a bantam version, I don’t know what type of bantam the UK has.

Tail could be longer imo, but those legs and that neck

Considering he was designed to be as weird and ungainly looking as possible that’s still pretty impressive that you think that is pretty.

 

[fluffycrow]

Considering he was designed to be as weird and ungainly looking as possible that’s still pretty impressive that you think that is pretty.

I will agree with Jacin on this, Lyle is pretty. And no, I do not like Dong Tao

 

[Ponypoor]

Do you like Lyle, then? (I drew him to make the homliest rooster possible but with a good personality.)View attachment 3635570

Wattles and comb - lovely! The dubbing makes them look less than.

 

[Ginger Geordie]

I never heard of them before you asked your question, but then I found a website with a few photos:
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/
They have both a Carlisle Old English Game and an Oxford Old English Game, along with a few other kinds of "game" on that page.

They explain the differences: "The Old English Game Club split in about 1930 as there was already a divergence of birds being shown with larger breasted, horizontally backed, exhibition-type birds tending to win, and breeders of these formed the Carlisle Club, developing only some of the original colours. Breeders of the original type, wherein the back is at 45° to the ground, maintained the well-balanced, close-heeled, athletic fighting fowl, and formed the Oxford Club, retaining over 30 colours."
^That section is on the pages for both varieties:
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/carlisle-old-english-game/
https://www.poultryclub.org/breeds/chickens/hard-feather/oxford-old-english-game/

The American oeg bantams are a totally different shape to the Carlisle and Oxford types.